Open 753: Nomination Mafia [Game Over!]

[Auro]

Volxen, individually I'm a lot more confident in SR being scum than Shoshin. In a 1v1 between them two, I'm always going to drive the lynch towards SR.

Read post 2696. I think Shoshin has reasons to bus heavily at this point, if she's scum.

[Auro]

If Shoshin's scum who would her partners be?
I doubt DT would be a partner. Chennisden is a maybe. You are potentially, but I think you're town + her frustration with you doesn't feel SvS.

[volxen]

Volxen, individually I'm a lot more confident in SR being scum than Shoshin. In a 1v1 between them two, I'm always going to drive the lynch towards SR.

Read post 2696. I think Shoshin has reasons to bus heavily at this point, if she's scum.

You don't think that she could follow a path to victory that involves no bussing?

[Auro]

Don't think so.

1v1ing DT for her is a risky play.

[Auro]

Don't think so

The major argument for scum!her is BoP. She's really, really good at town, so a string of mislynches is scum indicative. Even if you argue that D2/4 were nominated, she established scumreads on Chennisden and Vedith as well - and Vedith also flipped town.

[Auro]

Also have to check her read progression on me and SR.

[Auro]

Shoshin, between me and Volxen, who are you more confident on as town?

[volxen]

Shoshin, between me and Volxen, who are you more confident on as town?

I take it between Shoshin and I, you are more confident on me being town?

[Auro]

Shoshin, between me and Volxen, who are you more confident on as town?

I take it between Shoshin and I, you are more confident on me being town?

Yes. The towntell I was referring to earlier was exactly what annoyed Shoshin - you sort of brute force possibilities and explore each and every one of them.

In the game you rolled scum against me, you didn't do that - you picked a stance, and worked with it for a long time while ignoring a lot of other stuff.

[ejjinami]

Vote Count 5.3

scum reading:

(2) Shoshin, Auro

Not Voting:

volxen, chennisden, scum reading, DoubtingThomas, Alonzo

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.

Day 5 deadline is in (expired on 2019-04-02 15:20:45)

[scum reading]

I voted them so at this point your lynch options are me or SR. If one of us is town, the game's over.

Scum slip? Oopsies, thought you were town. At least from your own pov.

Guess I’m the dedicated mislynch that Volxen was talking about

VOTE: Shoshin

She didn’t follow through with the chennis lynch to mislynch me. If Vedith wouldn’t have flipped, you guys wouldn’t have pushed me.

Now Shoshin has a reason to push as well.

With the people that townread me being dead, this mislynch is the easiest for her (RC repped out and Irrelephant died)

[chennisden]

Auro, are you really willing for day to end so fast? If Shoshin was scum and scum reading was town, you just enabled a quick hammer.

[Auro]

Yeah. It's a calculated risk - I wondered if it's safe to, reasoned that in a 1v1 between them I'd go for SR - are you seriously considering the possibility of Shoshin scum and SR town?

Lack of quickhammer should suggest he's scum by now, no?

[Shoshin]

There's three scum.

I'm town.

I voted SR.

If SR's town, the three scum hammer.

The game hasn't ended yet.

So SR is scum.

If you need further evidence, look at Vedith's meta read on SR & my catch on SR's slip yesterday with respect to Vedith's alignment.

[scum reading]

Yeah. It's a calculated risk - I wondered if it's safe to, reasoned that in a 1v1 between them I'd go for SR - are you seriously considering the possibility of Shoshin scum and SR town?

Lack of quickhammer should suggest he's scum by now, no?

You're trying to manipulate players into mislynching me quickly.

I will make a scum case as well, but I want to start with Vedith's read on me.

Vedith, although has not mentioned it, scum read me because of my lack of activity. I am an usual shitfest in my games and have 500 posts per game. The reason I wasn't this active this game is because I've had a stressful week and I couldn't play on my PC to make scum cases and all that. I had a lot of school work.

Most of my posts were done while I was on mobile and it already is hard as it is, which is why I didn't contribute a lot towards game solving. Volxen was making a lot of solid posts and I thought I've found my town block and so my contribution to the game was my voting. From my perspective, I wasn't so active because the scum reads aligned for me and so I didn't have to make a lot of scum cases, because my town block was already suspicious of the same people I've scum read.

I've suspected fus and the other lynches were mostly all town nominations. I've followed shoshin because I trusted her. Yet, here we are, in LyLo, and I'm the last mislynch.

The reason I was more of a sheep, is because this setup is new to me as well and I can tell how much paranoia comes from this setup. When people are on the nominee list, accusations that wouldn't have appeared solid at all do seem acceptable, due to this setup and the nominee list.

That's the reason I couldn't produce any scum cases, my reads would constantly change and I'd fall down this rabbit hole of WIFOM.

What I know now for sure is that this is LyLo and this is where it's easiest to scum hunt. The people that are pushing my mislynch are the scummies. Their third team mate is either afk or is afraid to lynch / is waiting for a town to hop on the wagon so he can quick hammer.

[Shoshin]

Volx, please place your vote on SR to prove that he's scum.

[scum reading]

Volx, please place your vote on SR to prove that he's scum.

How does volxen placing a vote prove I'm scum? You're trying to get townies on my wagon so your afk member, probably DT, is going to hammer me?

[Shoshin]

From your perspective, I'm town who is voting scum SR or I'm scum who is bussing. Either way, vote SR please.

It needs to happen before Alonzo stupidly votes me & allows the scum to win.

We're on a clock.

I've lost multiple games because townies didn't vote the scum quickly enough at LYLO.

Please don't let that happen this game.

[scum reading]

From your perspective, I'm town who is voting scum SR or I'm scum who is bussing. Either way, vote SR please.

It needs to happen before Alonzo stupidly votes me & allows the scum to win.

We're on a clock.

I've lost multiple games because townies didn't vote the scum quickly enough at LYLO.

Please don't let that happen this game.

Look who's worried the mislynch dedicated target might escape a lynch today. How cute.

No townies vote me please, I do have some time available in my hands and can post.

[ejjinami]

Vote Count 5.4

scum reading:

(2) Shoshin, Auro

Shoshin:

(1) scum reading

Not Voting:

volxen, chennisden, DoubtingThomas, Alonzo

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.

Day 5 deadline is in (expired on 2019-04-02 15:20:45)

[scum reading]

Best reason for lynching Volx today: to prevent Auro's mislynch later.

Here, Shoshin is already defending Auro. I do have to admit it's a bold move.

SR's locktown.
The scum are within DT, Clem, Vedith, and Fusco.

Pay attention to her words.

If DT's town, he's letting a personal grudge get in the way of this game.

In this post, her tendency is to believe DT is scum, but she didn't really push this idea throughout the game.

DT pushing my lynch because says he can't work with me is pretty scummy.

She pointed this out, but has never pushed DT, at all.

Sorry I'm lynching you Irrel if you're town, I'm just paranoid because you townread Fusco.

This is a bad reasoning, also, you said this after this:

I'm never voting you, Irrel.

I said this on D1.

Yet, you voted because you didn't agree on a scum read?

Auro, where's your vote on Fusco?

Here, she's pushing the first mislynch and gets Auro in to vote with her because the majority of people were already scum reading Fus, so this is a smart move, not necessarily risky.

How am I scummier than Vedith/Chenn?

Now with this, I remember the nomination list. This was perfect for Shoshin, as she was being town read by town. In retrospect, that lynch list advantages Shoshin in every way. Chennisden is an easy mislynch bait because of him being a lurker, just like me. Now, watch what happens next:

Vedith, please explain in greater detail why you're scumreading SR.

She's still town reading me for her own reasons that she never mentioned.

I've lost motivation to play mafia in general.

At this moment, she was being voted and pressured by a lot of people. This is AtE and she used it to escape a lynch.

How do you know SR is scum?

She's still town reading me...

It's possible that SR's scum but I'm not going to get there is nobody gives strong reasons for the read. "Coasting" isn't sufficient when that's half the game.

Now, watch this progression. An 8 post difference in between theses 2 post. This reading progression is really off. She was already preparing my mislynch for today in this moment, because of my lurkiness. She needed me alive because I sheeped her for a large portion of the game.

Lynch Vedith.
If he's town, lynch SR tomorrow.

This is where that whole case was debated. Of course I was paranoid, again, this seemed like she was preparing my mislynch. And it looks like it happened.

Town Vedith doesn't keep making this argument that I mislynched Irrel when I townread the guy.

According to my earlier posts, you lynched Irrel because "Sorry irrel, you townreading Fus is making me paranoid" after saying Irrel would never be a lynch for you. What a weak reasoning to escape a nominee list in which you've placed yourself.

I still think it's the DT/Chen/Vedith team. It's the least complicated solve. And they gave us a nice gift by nominating themselves to help us test it during even phase.

She didn't really talk about DT too much. Look at this list of scum reads and then look at the nominee list from yesterday. Does that ring any bells? Why isn't she pushing chennisden today? Because she abuses Vedith's meta read on me, even though he didn't even discuss it. She's pushing a scum agenda on me based on meta that she hasn't read.

This is where I'm at for now, reads will most likely change post-flip.

Why are you scumreading me for saying my reads might change post-flip?

This is where I'm at for now, reads will most likely change post-flip.

The phrase "reads will most likely change post-flip" implies an informed perspective about the flip. Do you realize that?

These two posts were distorted and she tried to portray me as scum, when, in reality, what I've said made perfect sense.

VOTE: chennisden

VOTE: Chennisden
Let's just get on with this.

She's pushing her alleged "scum read". If you think about it, the nominee list, in retrospect, after Vedith's flip,was heavily in her favor. She needed to vote whoever and she'd be fine.

VOTE: Vedith

This proves my point above.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

This is the weirdest vote and it is a huge bluff. She has always mentioned DT is scum, yet she throws a vote this late in the stage for WIFOM, and then immediately votes for me. She didn't say anything regarding her DT vote.

VOTE: scum reading

[scum reading]

>Bad push on Irre's excitement and refusal to answer my questions asking why
>Refusal to explain stances
>"I'm not scum, I'm disappointed in you"
>"If you want to push my lynch I'll push a lynch on you"
>"It's absurd you think I'm scum"

Also:

When I beat you as scum, RC, I'm going to be so town that you're going to be telling everyone never to lynch me as I lead your mislynch.

I get the feeling she's deliberately not putting in effort to look towny from this quote, and for some reason thinks that should get her townread?

Trusting RC + I'm fine with a DT lynch independently anyway.

Why are you trusting RC? What're your independent reasons to lynch DT? What's your preferred lynch?

Hey DT, you're not going to get RC lynched today so why don't you vote someone else?

DT's scum. He shouldn't be scumreading me at this point.

I'm locktown on Auro but otherwise okay reads.

Shoshin, I'd like for you to respond to my earlier question re: when I became locktown for you.

While rereading, post 122.

SR's locktown.

The scum are within DT, Clem, Vedith, and Fusco.

Irrel, or Auro, or Alonzo, or someone, please ask DT what his reads are. It appears he has none.

Fuck it, I'm done with this game.

I'll stick around to sheep Auro since he's the only person making sense.

SR is scum, Volx. There's no getting around that simple fact.

I voted them so at this point your lynch options are me or SR. If one of us is town, the game's over.

Look at all these posts. Notice all the commentary on DT's slot, yet she never pushed him.

Shoshin also locktowns auro and claims she'll sheep his vote and lately they've distanced from each other when in comparison with the early game.

Shoshin's claiming that I'm scum, yet her scum team was DT/Chenn/Fus, but she's never pushed DT. Which makes sense. DT is lurking as he is, if it boils down to a moment where shoshin / auro are pressured, DT is an easy bus. That's why she didn't push him yet.

[Shoshin]

I won't be responding to SR's attempts to mislynch me.

If anyone other than SR has concerns about me, please let me know what they are. This is the point in the game where I'll address all concerns in full.

[DoubtingThomas]

Actually, it probably should be

Lynch Shoshin
Lynch Scum Reading if an option, otherwise Volxen>Auro>Alonzo
Lynch Scum Reading if alive otherwise Volxen>Auro>Alonzo

[DoubtingThomas]

There's three scum.

I'm town.

I voted SR.

If SR's town, the three scum hammer.

The game hasn't ended yet.

So SR is scum.

If you need further evidence, look at Vedith's meta read on SR & my catch on SR's slip yesterday with respect to Vedith's alignment.

veidth told me to vote you so i should vote there right