Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Liger_Zero]

How and why would it make sense to frame someone as scum by no killing exactly? Not understanding the flow of logic or how no death would be a frame attempt given the setup.

Prince lead a wagon on grapes, mafia, day one. He's an extremely strong player and obvious town this game so most players agreed he'd likely die last night. He didn't.

A simple (but flawed) explanation is that Prince is scum because ~~~paranoia~~~

you're going to need very good reasons to push Prince right now and I don't believe those exist until proven otherwise

discrediting him or scum reading him based on the mere fact he's still alive will be a scum tactic imo

Is anyone doing that?

[Liger_Zero]

boredom

people were happy w/ game state

i don't like when people are happy w/ game state

i was trying to figure out who wouldn't be happy if I said "no, this game state is bad"

nobody wanted to lynch vedith

I'm a little worried about this right now?

Especially with no NK, I'm trying to figure out what scum are doing to try and win the game.

One thing to keep in mind potentially is that scum will avoid pushing doused players at all costs because it basically costs them a night kill. There are fairly good odds Prince is already doused so the only way for scum to play around him will be not to push for his mislynch, but to discredit/scumread him while pushing elsewhere. I'd guess either Enter or myself are also doused. I'd just watch how people play around EE and Prince specifically today because I think they're the most likely doused targets, and playing with obv town players you can't make a real push for even if circumstances change probably stands out. It's why I'm not really a fan of Ank's half-hearted push on Enter, but I might just be conf-biasing on that.

This seems townie even though I don't agree with the conclusion that scum would avoid pushing doused players at all costs. More likely less inclined to push them without outside forces acting on them. Which makes it more grey in the area of seeing any scum on any of the doused players but would likely clear the biggest pushers on those people but not the people doing minor pushes.

[Liger_Zero]

Dann

I've played with Jingle town and Jingle scum several times in the past and he's always had a drastically different tone than when he's played this game. The way I've been trying to read him is by reading what he decides to push and why since that's how I was able to correctly realize I shouldn't be townreading him in police academy, but I need to be sure that I can read him along that same metric when he is playing much more loosely than in any other game I've seen him in.

It's not me trying to get a read on him, it's me making sure I can in the first place.

interesting. Would like to hear more about this. Almost makes me want to read other games which is funny because I haven't even read this game.

[Vedith]

What changed?

You also just completely dodged my question

Who are you town reading right now?

About 30 pages a lynch on my town read and the night.

I'm not interested in giving my town reads.

[Dannflor]

How and why would it make sense to frame someone as scum by no killing exactly? Not understanding the flow of logic or how no death would be a frame attempt given the setup.

Prince lead a wagon on grapes, mafia, day one. He's an extremely strong player and obvious town this game so most players agreed he'd likely die last night. He didn't.

A simple (but flawed) explanation is that Prince is scum because ~~~paranoia~~~

you're going to need very good reasons to push Prince right now and I don't believe those exist until proven otherwise

discrediting him or scum reading him based on the mere fact he's still alive will be a scum tactic imo

Is anyone doing that?

Alisae tried for a brief moment at the start of the day.

[Dannflor]

What changed?

You also just completely dodged my question

Who are you town reading right now?

About 30 pages a lynch on my town read and the night.

I'm not interested in giving my town reads.

Why not?

It's very hard to get a bead on you when you insist on not giving out reads and at the same time using a dead person to justify all your actions today.

[Dannflor]

@mod, V/LA until the 29th - will have unknown/limited access most of the time, and some access on the 28th

[Vedith]

Why not?

It's very hard to get a bead on you when you insist on not giving out reads and at the same time using a dead person to justify all your actions today.

Okay.
I'm not sure how my town reads are going to change your opinion here rather than if I give Scum reads.

General meta on me shows that I'm more likely Scum hunt than town hunt.

[Dannflor]

Okay, then give me scum reads.

I'm honestly just trying to get anything out of you. Do you genuinely scumread lycan/clem/Jingle slots or are you only lynching there because Shoshin thought they were scum? Do you have scum reads outside of that?

[Vedith]

I already said that Scum weren't pushing Shoshin yesterday and just sitting back.
I'm still trying to decide who it was.

[Dannflor]

What do you think of mcqueen's catch-up today?

[mcqueen]

thats funny cause i havent done a catch up

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Speed.

I.am.speed.

Faster than fast, quicker than quick, I am Lightning.

One winner, forty-two losers. I eat losers for breakfast.

Breakfast, maybe I should have had breakfast.

Hey, Lightning, you ready?

Oh, yeah. Lightning's ready.

[Dannflor]

thats funny cause i havent done a catch up

referring to your pop in and updated reads

is xtoxm your top scum read?

[Karmeleon]

Hello

Hello

[Karmeleon]

Hello Vedith. Im em sheeping dead shoshin s reads for today

What do you have in mind?

[Karmeleon]

It was okay, I had to fill my car up and ended up smelling of gasoline.

I just finished cleaning my house with flammable products.

[Karmeleon]

Uhhhhhhhh I'm hesitant to join that

I want to reupdate myself first

Great to have you in the game

[Karmeleon]

cool mislynch

One healthy mislynch

[Karmeleon]

if only we'd lynched prince of renais instead

Don't worry, we won't make the same mistake.

[Karmeleon]

Because shoshin was supposed to flip scum
And um
Um
It didn’t flip scum

Question yourself why did you fail. Did you have the info she was town but neglected it? Did you suspect she could be town but didn't consider that possibility?

[Karmeleon]

do you want me to vote you?

Good idea.

[Karmeleon]

Wait
You didn’t want to lynch shoshin

Not really.

[Karmeleon]

This is gonna be the most boring day in this game as we have to wait on replacements/those who are not caught up to catch up.

Don't worry, I'm here ^_^

[Karmeleon]

if you want to use rationales like "rc is still alive at x day" and then lynch me if I get to that point, then make a show of my being confirmed town before then if you want scum to want to make the kill.

Are you RC?