Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Liger_Zero]

Theres more votes on Vedith right now though.

[Liger_Zero]

Not sure you could get support for an Ankamius wagon right now either.

[DrDolittle]

Why am I not a townread?

Not sure. These reads are based on what I remember in thread, and I didn't recall anything particularly standout town you did. could be just that I missed some pages or forgot.

re: vedith wagon. i can do that but i prefer it happens when vedith comes back into thread

[Liger_Zero]

Why am I not a townread?

Not sure. These reads are based on what I remember in thread, and I didn't recall anything particularly standout town you did. could be just that I missed some pages or forgot.

re: vedith wagon. i can do that but i prefer it happens when vedith comes back into thread

Why for him when you want to re-energize the game and getting more votes on one person is going to get people more invested rather than Ankamius?

You aren't giving people much reason to support your wagon here.

[Liger_Zero]

guys lets have some conviction and consolidate on a lynch.

[Liger_Zero]

I still don't get the impression you have any strong reads Max and that you are just looking for people to give you acceptable reads to push. Want to talk about that in anymore detail?

[DrDolittle]

fine its cause i like vedith and I don't want him to have a hard time even if he might be scum ok :<

[northsidegal]

Votecount 3.4

Vedith(3)

~ Liger_Zero⁽⁴⁵⁾, NerfedBuJ⁽⁹⁾, Prince of Renais⁽²⁵⁾

Ankamius(3)

~ DrDolittle⁽⁴¹⁾, Karmeleon⁽⁸⁵⁾, Dannflor⁽³⁰⁾

Xtoxm(1)

~ mcqueen⁽¹¹⁾

mcqueen(1)

~ MaxwellPuckett⁽²⁷⁾

MaxwellPuckett(1)

~ Reiuji Utsuho⁽³⁸⁾

Jingle(1)

~ Vedith⁽¹⁴⁾

DrDolittle(1)

~ Jingle⁽³⁸⁾


Not Voting (4): Ankamius⁽⁴⁷⁾, Alisae⁽²⁰⁾, Extrapolated Eagle⁽³⁷⁾, Xtoxm⁽¹²⁾

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2019-04-05 16:49:59)

Searching for a replacement for Alisae.

[Liger_Zero]

fine its cause i like vedith and I don't want him to have a hard time even if he might be scum ok :<

Destroy him

[NerfedBuJ]

@buj. I get your analogy now. Sorry for calling it crap I just didnt understand it previously, but now I think I agree with it, although not to 100 percent certainty.

I know you said not 100 percent here but what made you lose the townread?

@Jingle - let me get this straight, Ali is an amazing town player, and an amazing scum player but if e goes at it hard e's scum and if e doesn't e's town? Wouldn't such a polar meta make her bad at both alignments?

I love when people try to use disinterest as a town tell but don't accept it when others use it as a scum tell.

E rolled shitty partners and er good friend replaced out of the game. E doesn't think E can win and E isn't having any fun, and the playerlist has changed. I think I'm right in saying that Ali is a player that takes playerlist into account when she joins games, so it makes sense that replacements could affect er mood and it's NAI. In this game there is 0 indication that she's town. You want to tear my scum case apart go right ahead and give it a try. Disagree with me. But don't fool yourself into thinking she has towntold. A bloody nullread is more believable.

[NerfedBuJ]

I don't think xtox is scum. He's not conftown for me but he's close to it.

[Prince of Renais]

I think it's exactly vedith mcqueen

[Prince of Renais]

ok like

starting point
POR
Buj
Reiuj
Alisae
EE
Karmeleon
DDL
dannflor
xtoxm

leftovers
mcqueen
vedith
liger_zero
maxwellpuckett
ankamius
jingle

[Liger_Zero]

I am proud to be a leftover.

But I have no idea what your starting point means.

[Prince of Renais]

I'm town.
Buj is town because of a shitload of things, not least of all his readiness to angleclear me.
Reiuji is town because I'd have gutread them scum by now
Alisae is town because I'd have gutread them scum by now + that replace out spews them town if they weren't already spewed town.
EE is town b/c I'd have scumread them by now
DDL's attempts to organize town on recent pages feel very town

Karmeleon actually I do have a few ??s about but I don't feel like they're scum or worth considering at this point in the game
Xtoxm I am going to remain silent on at this time
Dannflor idk. I think there's real scum equity here but this slot doesn't get in the lynchpool unless someone in the scumpool towntells.

[Liger_Zero]

Okay but why is it your sure on McQueen and vedith but the rest of your leftovers your not really considering?

[Prince of Renais]

Like I'm trying to piece together what scum have been doing this game.

I think that essentially one of the following worlds are true.

1) Scum are completely together. They're making organized kills and preventing each other getting lynched and just generally staying low enough to avoid the lynches but remaining in the game. They chose to not ignite to keep the lynch pool as wide as possible.
2) Scum are just done. Scum slots are replacing, there's no organization, the decision not to ignite wasn't a decision as much as just something that happened. None of them are actually playing to any sort of a win condition

I'm going to assume if one scum is running the show anyone else who takes a scum slot would be content to just lurk under the radar and less likely to flake out, whereas if both scum are reeling then the slots are more likely to replace out.


I think if scum are actually playing any sort of organized strategy every scum is in {mcqueen, vedith, xtoxm}
I think if we get multiple scum flips in that pool, we can just lynch the revolving door slots and win.

I'm incredibly reluctant to actually lead any lynches right now because any lynch that I lead isn't going to be particularly exceptional. there's a fairly wide band of players that in my view are strong scum candidates but where I don't really have a meaningful differentiation in my reads on them, and if I lead incorrectly I just end up sabotaging my slot. Basically I think at this point we need to just lynch the slots that are clearly going before endgame with the threat of me power playing with less lynchbait slots to hide behind to force scum to ignite, which I think will actually be extremely beneficial for town in terms of the smaller pool being a lot easier to hunt from for the remainder.

Like I say mcqueen vedith I think less because I think it's super likely and more because it's the only scumteam that I can really point to right now in terms of both of them approaching the game like scum should play but

[Prince of Renais]

i think maxwell might actually be town

[Prince of Renais]

liger was clem right

[Prince of Renais]

oh, gamma. huh.

mm

[Prince of Renais]

liger is also townie, I think?

[Prince of Renais]

no i don't think that.

[Prince of Renais]

i'm really not good at these kinds of situations.

[Prince of Renais]

i think town loses at this point if I don't feel like I can play town leader without getting mislynched if I don't hit scum immediately.

[Prince of Renais]

i think lynching vedith is correct here. if he's scum, great I'm pretty awesome at this game. if he's not, doesn't make my slot scum.