Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Prince of Renais]

I'm going on strike until people stop shading me \o/

[Prince of Renais]

actually I don't wanna lynch vedith

[Prince of Renais]

UNVOTE:

if I don't vote anyone, I can't be on any mislynches

[Prince of Renais]

i am the true god king ephraim

never lynch town ever

[Prince of Renais]

actually i'll kill someone who is worth it

VOTE: xtoxm

let's lynch this

[Prince of Renais]

oh wait i think xtoxm is actually scum lol

[Liger_Zero]

This is like watching a person breaking down hearing voices in there head.

[NerfedBuJ]

I think if scum are actually playing any sort of organized strategy every scum is in {mcqueen, vedith, xtoxm}
I think if we get multiple scum flips in that pool, we can just lynch the revolving door slots and win.

If we get multiple scum flips it's over.

Also please don't unvote. We need the numbers. There's no point in dragging this day out endlessly, people are not likely to change their mind without some flips. The common theme among players is a large "leftover" list of possible scum - gotta mow that down.

[Prince of Renais]

fiiiiiiiine. here it is. you dismissing mechanics in favour of a superficial tr pinged me super hard.

if prince is town, he is the most likely primed
if hes arso we delete an arso
depriving scum of primed targets gives us extra mislynches and is the best strategy in this game
therefore prince is the best lynch mechanically
jingle back me up

This is an incorrect application.

Lynching two primed players buys an extra mislynch, yes. However, lynching two primed players is only helpful in the case that there is a reasonable fear that those players are mafia. Lynching 2 players who wouldn't otherwise be lynched because they're likely to be primed does get us a mislynch, but it also wastes two lynches.

The thing to consider is that from scums PoV, they should ignite if we're likely to lynch someone they've already primed. Not the other way around.



Isn't Thigh Draug Draug's wife? Coulda sworn he's married to Nephenee in Path of Radiance.

transparently lies about the mechanics of the game to justify pushing a 'mechanical' lynch on the only person in this game who has lynched scum.
not only that but 'superficial townread' is how he describes townreading said person who is obvtown by play and led on scum d1.
it's not just about policy lynching me anymore, now xtoxm is using this interaction to shade other non-me people. policy lynching me is something town do. but shading jingle for it is yikes.

yeah lets just call the player with the widest scumrange in the game obvtown
fucking moronic

ok jingle
i want you to imagine that none of his posts exist
and look over pvt's content, and build a read of the slot based on that
can it be scum?
this is the world i exist in
ive been checked out the game since he replaced
i tr one of max's posts
i sr one of your posts (cookie if you can identify it)
all my other reads are pre p40

so 2 things

1) I may indeed have the widest scumrange in the game. But in the recent past I have a heavily noted aversion to bussing.
Also, the fact that I have the widest scumrange in the game doesn't make me scum. Has Xtoxm ever put forward a reason that he actually thinks that I'm scum?

mainly because i dont want to play with him
i wouldnt want him in lylo anyway and yknow..no time like the present

like first this was a policy lynch thing, then it became still a policy lynch thing but because I'm

super good as scum

, now he's actually shading people because they're not going along with it.

[Prince of Renais]

and the second thing? I don't think town, no matter how fucked up they are in their head, ask people 'can it be scum' when trying to fish for a scumread.
if he thought it was super scummy, he'd argue to it being super scummy. and frankly pvturist replacing out in response to the thread being toxic is pretty towny.

Xtoxm has gotten away with making absolutely no meaningful engagement with anything in this game besides his scumread on me. that shouldn't stand.

at the very least, force him to do something readable or kill him.

[Prince of Renais]

fiiiiiiiine. here it is. you dismissing mechanics in favour of a superficial tr pinged me super hard.

if prince is town, he is the most likely primed
if hes arso we delete an arso
depriving scum of primed targets gives us extra mislynches and is the best strategy in this game
therefore prince is the best lynch mechanically
jingle back me up

This is an incorrect application.

Lynching two primed players buys an extra mislynch, yes. However, lynching two primed players is only helpful in the case that there is a reasonable fear that those players are mafia. Lynching 2 players who wouldn't otherwise be lynched because they're likely to be primed does get us a mislynch, but it also wastes two lynches.

The thing to consider is that from scums PoV, they should ignite if we're likely to lynch someone they've already primed. Not the other way around.



Isn't Thigh Draug Draug's wife? Coulda sworn he's married to Nephenee in Path of Radiance.

xtoxm clearly doesn't believe in the push on me. he clearly intellectually knows he's pushing a policy lynch, either based on my aptitude as a scum player or because grr fuck this guy. based on every phrasing he has used.
why is he shading other people for not going along with something that he knows is bullshit?

[Vedith]

re: vedith wagon. i can do that but i prefer it happens when vedith comes back into thread

I didn't leave the thread?

[Prince of Renais]

re; https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10785600

Alisae it feels a bit early for you give up trying to read me altogether?
I understand that grapes are inanimate objects but I am not.
Why the blind faith in xtom?

Cuz now that it's relevant and I'm thinking about it the couple games I've played with him was him-scum me-town... and gameboy advance mafia where he lead a mislynch on me...

VOTE: xtoxm

I don't know how in your world a hammer vote equates to leading a mislynch.

Gonna be honest here I was going from memory and forgot I was a utility lynch (maybe because to this day I still don't really understand why it happened :p)

but after going through your iso there you never really came around to town-reading me (matter of fact you thought I was scum most of the game) until i started viciously flailing about to get lynched as a cop mad close to EG (and even then you ultimately ended up voting me so even there I'm being too forgiving)


So... why exactly do you think you can read me?

i was going from memory too
i did think you looked very townie
lynched you in the end for role reasons
it gives me a baseline of what you are capable of as town
the 3 post thing was also entirely sarcastic if that wasnt obvious

Fair enough bud.

who is scum?

like reading this again all of these associatives are kind of bad and the fact that he's the most mentioned player in his iso is NAGL at all
maybe we've just been looking in the wrong place

"why the blind faith in xtoxm" feels really svs indicative in hindsight

[Prince of Renais]

does anyone actually think these associatives spew him town? i'm completely blanking on why I ever thought this was town.
I think that I mostly just assumed that he wouldn't go for this policy lynch play as scum, but that jingle shade was

disgusting

.

[NerfedBuJ]

Ehhh that's good enough for me. Claiming scum!you would be bussing here is a plausible WIFOM for having grapes bus xtox earlier.

I still think vedith flips scum more often than xtox but I guess we still have time for a higher risk higher reward lynch.

VOTE: Xtox

[Prince of Renais]

like I know that xtoxm hates me, but him hating me isn't alignment indicative

[Prince of Renais]

also the townread on mcqueen for scumreading them feels like an attempt at appeasement.

[NerfedBuJ]

does anyone actually think these associatives spew him town? i'm completely blanking on why I ever thought this was town.
I think that I mostly just assumed that he wouldn't go for this policy lynch play as scum, but that jingle shade was

disgusting

.

They fit as SvS on their own.. I just didn't think he would follow it up with a vote also if it were a buddy. Like shoshin and I were TvT counterwagons on day 1, it was a scum wet dream. Bussing xtox would be overly forced just for the potential distancing.

If this was the only reason for the push I'd hesitate but it looks like scum don't want to ignite you so they have to try to lynch you instead.

[Vedith]

Do I get town credit if I vote Xtoxm?

[Prince of Renais]

only if they get lynched before they post again

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Relax, PR. I get you I'm feeling pretty similar.

Lemme catch up and then Ank and I will take lead on this one.

Rei I really wanna hear the thing you were trying to say that you said we wouldn't wanna hear.

[Prince of Renais]

I have resumed command of this vessel.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Sure.

I'm not lynching xtoxm right now, though, nor am I reading your case atm.

@ank read this as soon as you wake up

let's plow through the thread together. lemme know when you have the chance. if you won't be able to somewhat early in the morning, lemme know and i'll do it when i wake up or after work tomorrow or something. I have uncertainties on the alignment of your slot and I wanna work through conftowning you, so when you get the chance i'd like to work through the thread skimming every 20 pages or so and then catching each other up on thought processes and such. this way i can track what you're thinking and we can both develop reads

how does that sound?

[Liger_Zero]

Not interested in a xtoxm lynch right now

[Vedith]

VOTE: Xtoxm