Open 753: Nomination Mafia [Game Over!]

[Xtoxm]

we share the same slot but we are, in fact, different people
i looked over his iso and i didnt see locktown
ive just gone over it a little more closely and i still dont

[Xtoxm]

I'm trying to reconcile that at the moment, with RC's D1 replace out.
Alonzo played directly into what I imagined scum agenda would be with this set of nominations if you had correct reads.

looks like you're not entirely right on that, though

[Xtoxm]

also, as far as i can tell ive replaced into a mechanical 1v1, and i have little interest in seriously sorting the other slots until this is resolved
i expect ive replaced into a loss here given the gamestate

[Alonzo]

I'd probably call it fair to end today lynching auro for abandoning his post.

At this point, while I would still love to see a town win deep down, Im down to lynch almost anyone.

Like I say, shos deserves this for services to keyboard warrior-ism.

Auro/DT/shosh was always on my mind as scum, but Im not sure I'm brave enough to call that my solve.

[Alonzo]

Auro dropping definitely feels like a scum motivated move, to allow a new player more freedom to mislynch

[Shoshin]

I agree about Auro.

I also think SR's refusal to call Auro scum suggests strongly that they're partners.

[Shoshin]

Can you vote SR, Alonzo?

Tell me what you need me to do to make that happen.

[Shoshin]

I'm not trying to speculate too much about this but I think the most likely reason Auro replaced is probably because of stuff in the scum PM related to bussing SR.

I'm not saying Auro's scum but it's what crossed my mind as a reason why he'd randomly replace out.

[Alonzo]

What's your DT read?

[Alonzo]

Infact can every give their final sorts?

Highlight where they think the blindspot are?

[Shoshin]

I know SR's scum.

I don't know his partners yet.

I also don't think it's helpful to talk about this stuff because it's going to help scum decide who to nominate.

[Shoshin]

What's your DT read?

I think he's likely scum with SR.

[chennisden]

The whole point of BoP is stating that if an experienced player doesn’t lynch scum, then they are scum themselves.

How would BoP lead me to lynching xtoxm??????

You see, chennis, when you stop making sense, you gotta take a step back and re-think everything.

how do you NOT SEE how xtoxm is confscum from your pov? BoP -> tunnel xtoxm is very valid

1) xtoxm is confscum
2) you can't lynch shoshin

Can you give me a definition of what BoP is for you?

This post is just plain bad. From my pov, Shoshin is locked scum for preparing a mislynch on me since yesterday and for pushing it today.

uh no; this post is OBJECTIVELY RIGHT

if Auro was town YOU'D HAVE BEEN DEATHHAMMERED

(from your pov)

oh wait; you don't understand town pov because you arent town oops

[Shoshin]

That's exactly what I've been saying, Chenn!

[chennisden]

@Scumreading, Shoshin brings up a correct point --

if you are town, BOTH Shoshin AND Xtox/Auro are 100% confirmed scum from your point of view

.

If you and Xtox/Auro were both town, you would have been quickhammered long ago.
If you and Shoshin were both town, you would have been quickhammered long ago.

If you are town then 2/3 of the scumteam is already 100% confirmed to you just based on lylo votes

. Why are you talking as if you still need to sort Auro/Xtox while simultaneously pushing for Shoshin's lynch? Why are you not equally agreeable to pushing for Xtox/Auro's lynch?

The reality of the matter is that you are currently engaged in two different 1vs1's, Scumreading vs Shoshin and Scumreading vs Xtox/Auro.

what volxen said; chennis/shosin/volxen have pointed out this multiple times

[chennisden]

I will post more later on how I think DoubtingThomas is scum regardless of Scumreading's alignment, even if I reduce the number of assumptions that I initially made.

That being said, @Scumreading are you outright refusing to vote for DoubtingThomas today?

Volx, lynching Shoshin is the play here.

This IS the safest lynch.

Depending on the nominees tomorrow I'll be able to confirm my reads on DT and Auro.

Right now, there's no reason on why I would vote DT. He's done nothing this game phase and it is hard sorting him as it is. I am ten times more confident in a Shoshin lynch and there's no reason to abstain that. This is a SvT and it would make no sense for me to drop this. Shoshin is lockscum and she's the safest lynch, at least for me. I can tell it's hard for people to sort our roles, but the game play until now should give you indications to our alignments. This battle WILL have to take place regardless if we lynch another scum now, but this is, once again, the safest option for me. She's pushing my mislynch today based on Vedith's meta read which was my activity, she doesn't have a case on me, I've made a case on her that she completely disregarded and said I won't comment on it, yet when chennis says "Scum reading, you should make a case on Shoshin", Shoshin said "

If he were to make a case

, I'd point out any rhetorical thoughts", but she didn't. She saw my case . She ignored it and she didn't want to bring the fact that I've made a case on her so that chennis will be inclined to vote me. That's scum af. She's trying to pressure people into voting me, like chennisden, which is the easiest to persuade. She won't try to make you or Alonzo vote me because you guys probably won't and she knows that. She just needs chennis to place his vote and that's gg.

can i just say, no u

[chennisden]

That's exactly what I've been saying, Chenn!

Any objections to me voting SR right now?

[chennisden]

Auro/SR/???

I read the new slot as scummy.

[Shoshin]

DT?

I have no objection as you already know.

[chennisden]

maybe DT

anyway

VOTE: Scum reading

welp if the scum are shoshin/xtoxm gg

[chennisden]

anyone who is on please post "no hammer" or something like that. if this flips scum this'll help

[chennisden]

You know what chennis, go ahead, place a vote.

Not once in my game were you able to game solve, I don’t expect you to do it now.

I’ve made a case on shoshin that she misdirected from and didn’t comment upon at all because it makes sense.

Maybe you should let Volxen and Alonzo say something before you make a horrible mistake that’ll cost you the game.

You’re taking decisions without people giving advices and that is bad, admit your reads can be bad and wait for Volxen and Alonzo to interact.

You’re being forced into my mislynch, that should be obvious to anyone, no matter how intelligent they are. She’s been telling you to vote me and voting carelessly along with Auro who didn’t give his opinion on my slot at all.

sure

"Not once in my game were you able to game solve, I don’t expect you to do it now." like uh ok, that was against a really good scumgame. anyway lets not adhom

"Maybe you should let Volxen and Alonzo say something before you make a horrible mistake that’ll cost you the game."

I have, numerous times.

"You’re taking decisions without people giving advices and that is bad, admit your reads can be bad and wait for Volxen and Alonzo to interact."

people have given advice and when you said this, volxen/alonzo were able to say some stuff

"You’re being forced into my mislynch, that should be obvious to anyone, no matter how intelligent they are. She’s been telling you to vote me and voting carelessly along with Auro who didn’t give his opinion on my slot at all."

the vote from shoshin was careless and the vote from auro was unacceptable, but hey we lucked out in the end.

anyway; this vote is very justified, scum has had many opportunities to answer questions, give concerns, etc. instead he's been "wtf"ing posts that make perfect sense (such as shoshin/xtoxm confscum from his perspective)

[chennisden]

Okay, DT. I'll try to address your concerns & explain why I'm town. In the process, I'd like you to respond to my questions as well.
I don't think that's scummy so please explain why you think reevaluating reads is scummy. I reevaluate the game based on new information, and in particular Vedith's flip changed everything for me.

Yesterday, SR betrayed an informed perspective about Vedith's flip that never comes from town & I said as much yesterday when I realized SR might be scum over Vedith.

I can point you to the specific posts that betray this perspective & explain exactly why it shows that SR's scum if you need more clarification. Either way, I'd like you to explain why you think changing reads is scummy.

please do point me to this post

[Shoshin]

It's where SR says I was scumreading him when I wasn't.

[volxen]

anyone who is on please post "no hammer" or something like that. if this flips scum this'll help

I'm on, I won't hammer just yet.