Open 753: Nomination Mafia [Game Over!]

[Shoshin]

These posts, Chenn:

Spoiler:

You have just changed one of your strongest town reads to a scum read like it's nothing. Do you believe you're making sense?

Of course I get paranoid of your alignment if you are willing to throw me as bait like that. It seemed like you just wanted to do anything to survive.

This was in response to me saying that we should lynch SR if Vedith flips town. I never said anything that suggested Vedith was town.

But SR interprets my conditional statement as me changing my read on SR from town to scum & in doing so SR betrays knowledge that Vedith's flipping town. If SR was uncertain about Vedith's alignment, he wouldn't have interpreted my conditional statement as saying anything about SR's alignment.

This is expanded upon in these next posts:

What the fuck are you talking about?

This

Lynch Vedith.

If he's town, lynch SR tomorrow.

Why are you assuming that Vedith is town, SR? What the fuck?

Because of the post you made. It makes sense if you're scum to make a post like that. You're the informed minority. You DO know Vedith is town and so you just set up my next mislynch.

And then, I ask, why do you think I am SCUM when you have defended me so hard up until this moment where you got hard pushed and panicked and made a post like that.

??? Does my post baffle you or what? I don't get it

You're saying Vedith is town when he hasn't flipped yet???

My whole point of view is that you are scum that said "Lynch vedith and if he flips town, lynch sr next". If I believe you are scum, you are the informed minority, so, as an informed minority scum, you say lynch vedith, he will flip town and then you'll follow my lynch through.

This whole case comes from my paranoia because you gave up your strongest town read, which was a lazy tr by the way, since it's true, I've been a lurker this game, and it looks like you took me with you up to this point and then you just throw me like bait. I'm the easiest bait because of my lack of content. I just don't get why you'd say that, I've townread you up until you post that shit, we had the same scum reads and all, why do you post something like that if not as an attempt to try and survive when being pushed?

[volxen]

Between Shoshin and Xtox/Auro, Xtox is definitely more likely to be scum. By a lot. Auro knows how to get townread as scum, and he actually often has an easier time "towning it up" as scum because he is better at scum than town. And a lot of his gameplay has basically been sheeping Shoshin, and then turning around and accusing Shoshin of being scum based on BOP alone (and BOP is a fallacy; Auro should know better than this).

I don't know if Shoshin could put on a "performance" like this as scum, even if she was scum with Auro and he was non-stop coaching her in the scum PT. It's even less likely that she could put on said "performance" if she is scum and Auro isn't.

There was also a point where Irrelephant talked about how he thought I was town because of my analysis posts, and Auro popped into the thread to make one post just to shade me and say, "Scum!Volxen's capable of faking heavy analysis". There were several posts/questions I had addressed to him at the time, and he ignored them all just to pop into the thread and shade me. His post where he shaded me came about an hour after Irrelephant's post where he explained his townread of me (see posts 1694 and 1699).

Chennisden lately has been a lot more towny than DoubtingThomas as well. In addition to that, I strongly believe that Chennisden is not scum with Auro. I can see Scumreading being scum with Auro.

And regarding the issue of bussing (assuming Scumreading is scum, which I believe is all but proven now via him not being quickhammered), it's

MUCH

more likely that Xtox/Auro is bussing Scumreading compared to Shoshin bussing Scumreading. Shoshin started the 1vs1 against Scumreading, and Auro voted for Scumreading after that. Importantly, Auro's "preferred" lynch for today was Chennisden rather than Scumreading. If Auro is scum, he may have felt he had no choice but to bus Scumreading once Shoshin started the 1vs1 between the two of them (it would have been

HIGHLY

suspicious if he had sided against Shoshin after townreading her the entire game).

Irrelephant townread both Shoshin and Auro, but he has a lot more experience with Shoshin compared to Auro. It's more likely that he was wrong on his Auro read compared to his Shoshin read.

I'm saying all of this because I know a lot of you found Auro to be very towny up until recently, but Shoshin is far, far less likely to be scum compared to Xtox/Auro.

My current solve is Xtox/DoubtingThomas/Scumreading for the scumteam.

[volxen]

Chennisden has also been more towny than Auro lately, and he has definitely been more towny than Xtox.

[DoubtingThomas]

What about a team of auro-shoshin?

I am not sure what you mean by shoshin can't put up this kind of "performance" as scum. is she a terrible scum?

[Shoshin]

My current solve is Xtox/DoubtingThomas/Scumreading for the scumteam.

Finally you get there.

I've been thinking this since the moment Vedith flipped town.

[Shoshin]

I have a 0% win rate as scum.

[DoubtingThomas]

perhaps i am tunneled. but also it's hard for me to not vote shoshin just because i am told she cant be this "good" as scum

volxen, i am town, so i want to talk to you. do you see a world of shoshin/auro/chennis? or auro/chennis/scumreading then?

what about alonzo?

[DoubtingThomas]

I'd probably call it fair to end today lynching auro for abandoning his post.

At this point, while I would still love to see a town win deep down, Im down to lynch almost anyone.

Like I say, shos deserves this for services to keyboard warrior-ism.

Auro/DT/shosh was always on my mind as scum, but Im not sure I'm brave enough to call that my solve.

I am baffled that you still think I am team with shoshin

[Shoshin]

SR thinks you're my partner too, DT.

[DoubtingThomas]

really? where

[DoubtingThomas]

if i am your partner i vote scumreading and win rn

[Shoshin]

Yes, correct.

[Shoshin]

SR's "case" on me (if you can call it a "case") was based around us being partners, DT.

[DoubtingThomas]

did he actually say that LOL

[DoubtingThomas]

I will post more later on how I think DoubtingThomas is scum regardless of Scumreading's alignment, even if I reduce the number of assumptions that I initially made.

That being said, @Scumreading are you outright refusing to vote for DoubtingThomas today?

Volx, lynching Shoshin is the play here. This IS the safest lynch. Depending on the nominees tomorrow I'll be able to confirm my reads on DT and Auro.

Right now, there's no reason on why I would vote DT. He's done nothing this game phase and it is hard sorting him as it is. I am ten times more confident in a Shoshin lynch and there's no reason to abstain that. This is a SvT and it would make no sense for me to drop this. Shoshin is lockscum and she's the safest lynch, at least for me. I can tell it's hard for people to sort our roles, but the game play until now should give you indications to our alignments. This battle WILL have to take place regardless if we lynch another scum now, but this is, once again, the safest option for me. She's pushing my mislynch today based on Vedith's meta read which was my activity, she doesn't have a case on me, I've made a case on her that she completely disregarded and said I won't comment on it, yet when chennis says "Scum reading, you should make a case on Shoshin", Shoshin said "

If he were to make a case

, I'd point out any rhetorical thoughts", but she didn't. She saw my case . She ignored it and she didn't want to bring the fact that I've made a case on her so that chennis will be inclined to vote me. That's scum af. She's trying to pressure people into voting me, like chennisden, which is the easiest to persuade. She won't try to make you or Alonzo vote me because you guys probably won't and she knows that. She just needs chennis to place his vote and that's gg.

where

[DoubtingThomas]

shoshin, i give you a hint that i am town. what's the solve?

[Shoshin]

SR's case on me, based almost entirely on the idea that DT's my partner:

Spoiler:

Best reason for lynching Volx today: to prevent Auro's mislynch later.

Here, Shoshin is already defending Auro. I do have to admit it's a bold move.

SR's locktown.
The scum are within DT, Clem, Vedith, and Fusco.

Pay attention to her words.

If DT's town, he's letting a personal grudge get in the way of this game.

In this post, her tendency is to believe DT is scum, but she didn't really push this idea throughout the game.

DT pushing my lynch because says he can't work with me is pretty scummy.

She pointed this out, but has never pushed DT, at all.

Sorry I'm lynching you Irrel if you're town, I'm just paranoid because you townread Fusco.

This is a bad reasoning, also, you said this after this:

I'm never voting you, Irrel.

I said this on D1.

Yet, you voted because you didn't agree on a scum read?

Auro, where's your vote on Fusco?

Here, she's pushing the first mislynch and gets Auro in to vote with her because the majority of people were already scum reading Fus, so this is a smart move, not necessarily risky.

How am I scummier than Vedith/Chenn?

Now with this, I remember the nomination list. This was perfect for Shoshin, as she was being town read by town. In retrospect, that lynch list advantages Shoshin in every way. Chennisden is an easy mislynch bait because of him being a lurker, just like me. Now, watch what happens next:

Vedith, please explain in greater detail why you're scumreading SR.

She's still town reading me for her own reasons that she never mentioned.

I've lost motivation to play mafia in general.

At this moment, she was being voted and pressured by a lot of people. This is AtE and she used it to escape a lynch.

How do you know SR is scum?

She's still town reading me...

It's possible that SR's scum but I'm not going to get there is nobody gives strong reasons for the read. "Coasting" isn't sufficient when that's half the game.

Now, watch this progression. An 8 post difference in between theses 2 post. This reading progression is really off. She was already preparing my mislynch for today in this moment, because of my lurkiness. She needed me alive because I sheeped her for a large portion of the game.

Lynch Vedith.
If he's town, lynch SR tomorrow.

This is where that whole case was debated. Of course I was paranoid, again, this seemed like she was preparing my mislynch. And it looks like it happened.

Town Vedith doesn't keep making this argument that I mislynched Irrel when I townread the guy.

According to my earlier posts, you lynched Irrel because "Sorry irrel, you townreading Fus is making me paranoid" after saying Irrel would never be a lynch for you. What a weak reasoning to escape a nominee list in which you've placed yourself.

I still think it's the DT/Chen/Vedith team. It's the least complicated solve. And they gave us a nice gift by nominating themselves to help us test it during even phase.

She didn't really talk about DT too much. Look at this list of scum reads and then look at the nominee list from yesterday. Does that ring any bells? Why isn't she pushing chennisden today? Because she abuses Vedith's meta read on me, even though he didn't even discuss it. She's pushing a scum agenda on me based on meta that she hasn't read.

This is where I'm at for now, reads will most likely change post-flip.

Why are you scumreading me for saying my reads might change post-flip?

This is where I'm at for now, reads will most likely change post-flip.

The phrase "reads will most likely change post-flip" implies an informed perspective about the flip. Do you realize that?

These two posts were distorted and she tried to portray me as scum, when, in reality, what I've said made perfect sense.

VOTE: chennisden

VOTE: Chennisden
Let's just get on with this.

She's pushing her alleged "scum read". If you think about it, the nominee list, in retrospect, after Vedith's flip,was heavily in her favor. She needed to vote whoever and she'd be fine.

VOTE: Vedith

This proves my point above.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

This is the weirdest vote and it is a huge bluff. She has always mentioned DT is scum, yet she throws a vote this late in the stage for WIFOM, and then immediately votes for me. She didn't say anything regarding her DT vote.

VOTE: scum reading

>Bad push on Irre's excitement and refusal to answer my questions asking why
>Refusal to explain stances
>"I'm not scum, I'm disappointed in you"
>"If you want to push my lynch I'll push a lynch on you"
>"It's absurd you think I'm scum"

Also:

When I beat you as scum, RC, I'm going to be so town that you're going to be telling everyone never to lynch me as I lead your mislynch.

I get the feeling she's deliberately not putting in effort to look towny from this quote, and for some reason thinks that should get her townread?

Trusting RC + I'm fine with a DT lynch independently anyway.

Why are you trusting RC? What're your independent reasons to lynch DT? What's your preferred lynch?

Hey DT, you're not going to get RC lynched today so why don't you vote someone else?

DT's scum. He shouldn't be scumreading me at this point.

I'm locktown on Auro but otherwise okay reads.

Shoshin, I'd like for you to respond to my earlier question re: when I became locktown for you.

While rereading, post 122.

SR's locktown.

The scum are within DT, Clem, Vedith, and Fusco.

Irrel, or Auro, or Alonzo, or someone, please ask DT what his reads are. It appears he has none.

Fuck it, I'm done with this game.

I'll stick around to sheep Auro since he's the only person making sense.

SR is scum, Volx. There's no getting around that simple fact.

I voted them so at this point your lynch options are me or SR. If one of us is town, the game's over.

Look at all these posts. Notice all the commentary on DT's slot, yet she never pushed him.

Shoshin also locktowns auro and claims she'll sheep his vote and lately they've distanced from each other when in comparison with the early game.

Shoshin's claiming that I'm scum, yet her scum team was DT/Chenn/Fus, but she's never pushed DT. Which makes sense. DT is lurking as he is, if it boils down to a moment where shoshin / auro are pressured, DT is an easy bus. That's why she didn't push him yet.

[Shoshin]

shoshin, i give you a hint that i am town. what's the solve?

I'll tell you tomorrow.

[DoubtingThomas]

the case is pretty bad

[DoubtingThomas]

have you read my rebuttal on your 8 questions?

[Shoshin]

I take issue with your use of the term "rebuttal." This isn't a debate.

[DoubtingThomas]

so did you read it and what do you think of it?

[Shoshin]

I haven't read your "rebuttal" in full because I didn't feel that you responded to the first part in good faith & stopped reading after that.

[Shoshin]

You know for a fact that certain things are NAI for me & yet you've been pushing me as scum in this game for those things. I'd like an example of a town game where you did this.

[DoubtingThomas]

no, for christ sake i dont fucking KNOW certain things are NAI for you. I dont know who you are.

you TELL me that that's the case. the fact that it's NAI doesn't change the fact that I hate that shit and would policy lynch the fuck out of it for sure. you know i've done that