Mini Normal 2066: Catloaves [Game Over!]

[ChibiBear]

VOTE COUNT 1.12

Eragon

(3): Locke113, rosterfoster, Elsa Jay

Alacrity

(3): GrandWazoo, nomnomnom, u r a person 2

GrandWazoo

(2): PenguinPower, Not_Mafia

Locke113

(1): Eragon

themilkcartonkid

(1): Alacrity

Not Voting

(1): themilkcartonkid

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-03-31 11:00:00)

[themilkcartonkid]

Can eragon respond to this first before we lynch anyone. I'm so out of reads.

[PenguinPower]

I'm confused on how these wagons are going...

I will vote with Elsa over anyone else.

[nomnomnom]

I will do Alacrity but not Locke.

Never take that out of context.

[themilkcartonkid]

I must be paranoid because I can see a world where 4 or 5 of the current players are scum based on the last day or two. I think apathy is killing my ability to read. The only person I'm fairly sure is town is nom and I'm just assuming n m is as well because why not. But other than that I see reason to sus everyone else. The reasons are not all equally valid, I've got some crackpot deep town conspiracy vibes going on on some, some obvscum tells on others, and my personal favorite theory that I will save until after the first flip or two. I think I'm really going to have to try hard at this

[GrandWazoo]

MCK: You should share your theories now. They may be rejected or mocked, but at least they will generate discussion. Apathy really is killing this game.

[Eragon]

almost there only 2 more ISO's

i literally fell asleep last night while reading
will be finishing tonight

[Eragon]

TheMilkCartonKid:

null-scum

Overall, not super scummy, but some of their progression is a yikes and they do seem to be not very committing to their reads. I especially don’t like post 420(oh yikes) as it basically calls URAP out for town reading NM which is… a really bad reason to scum read someone.

Spoiler:

-I don’t see any problem with their entrance
-196 is fence-sitty as fuck. They think Insomia’s replace out is super wolfy, but because he might be town and the replacement might be town, don’t Lynch yet, but still lynch, just not yet.
-270 how are you town reading someone for being a newbie? That… like, literally has no meaning on the game? Up until this point you haven’t mentioned GW at all, expand on that read?
-271 there was nothing in her 23 posts up to this point that makes you think she is towny/scummy?
-283 ok this expands on 270, so thats good. I’m not entirely sure I like the reason of “they have done nothing but jump on wagons” because that feels like hard lhf, but its better than nothing. Why specifically GW instead of anyone else that hopped on alacrity?
-287 Thats why you just MEME. MeMeS solve EVERYTHING
-290 Agree here
-310 isn’t PP like that a lot though?
-417 Can you elaborate on what “pings” you here
-420 Literally wtf? How does pinpointing someone as town NOT HELP? I could see it being weak, but if you can get someone that you think is town. That HELPS.
-430 gambits are fun :3
-548 off-topic but that would be called pocketing not buddying
-552votes alacrity, the person he originally (Defended isn’t the right word but I cant find it so just use defended send help plz) by voting GW for hopping on the wagon. This is an interesting progression of thinking alacrity is scum over URAP if you think that GW was scum hopping on a wagon.
-554so do you now think that URAP and Alacrity are not necessarily TvS? Or did you just not re-vote? If so, what changed?


Roster: Scum lean, While I like the fact that they look like they’re trying to solve in the beginning, the tunnel on LHF does seem opportunistic, and to me it looks like Roster is just pulling reads out of their ass with town reads on PP and Alacrity. I explained further below, but their posts are very spread and I just don’t see them being focused on real scum hunting.
-32 and 79 to [/post] 83[/post] are all literally just tunneling nom^3, which I do find opportunistic, but at the same time Roster is posting multiple reasons thinking nom is scum. I’ve already talked about the reasons themselves so no reason to bring that up again, I disagree with them, but I think its towny that Roster is trying to solve. 
-163 can you elaborate on like, any of these reads as you haven’t mentioned any of these players except for nom up until now. additionaly, I know its not a scumclaim, but why do you assume that “I do believe newbies are good to keep around since they usually improve their game later on and you can figure them out more easily.” Would be a scum claim in the first place?
-165uhhh that was like, not at all what the post was about? He said that he thought nom was newbscum. Yes. He then said he thought its better to keep newbies around for multiple reasons. Yes. He then said that he thinks Locke is scum, and gave reasons. Yes. He then voted locke. yes. There was nothing about a “counterwagon”
-181 Or he’s just solving the game(!)
-211 what was your reasoning behind this post? I have some things I’m mulling over about your intentions but I want to hear it from you.
-386 what changed from “DK if I’ve missed anything but I couldn’t see a reason for Grandwazoo vote? Please tell.” Except GW trying to get alacrity to out? And then just saying 
“nah I don’t really want to talk about it, but that was just a super BS reason and its bad” which… going by your own logic… is a bs reason?
-415 where the fuck was this progression? Early on you thought URAP was town, fair. And reads do change, yes, fair. But what happened in between? You didn’t show any thought process that shows a change from “towny tone” to “this is actually scum”

Nomnomnom-

Town lean.

Oh god so many posts to read. I’ll try to skim some, but I’m mostly going to try to get this read through RTI. Im kinda back and forth on this, I think overall they have just been projecting a very transparently villager-y mindset, and their posts are analytical/show perspective, but there are some things I strongly disagree against and I think are wolf, but not 100%. I do feel the town outweighs the scum, and that they are just getting focused on N_M’s play style instead of the game.

Spoiler:

-I didn’t exactly like their 30 about “voting the person you know” because I feel thats almost common sense, but if that doesn’t happen on their homesite then thats NAI
-I feel the way some of their thoughts come out just seems really towny. Specifically posts 99 and 102 just ping me as town trying to articulate a feeling they have. I know its hard for me sometimes to explain my gut, so I think this post was towny.
-117 what is “feels a lot less town”
-173 I personally don’t get as frustrated playing with N_M, because its expected, but I definitely understand this reaction and it feels natural.
-198 Its not SUPER common but it happens, yes. I don’t know what insomnia was doing, but I think he just felt like he wasn’t being heard and just like, not enjoying the game, which I totally understand. I don’t think(and hope) that the replace out wasn’t strategic.
-276 I just post my catchup in chronological order so I do often quote answers to questions I asked ._, but it just sometimes helps me get a flow of the game when theres not really that much content, like with 9-10 pages. Other than that it starts to just feel like busy-work and I don’t get a good read because I’m just rushing through it. Hence resorting to ISO diving instead of reading 20 pages.
-285 a replace out shouldn’t change your read. Also, in a game on my homesite I accurately called a newbie town in their first couple posts because they were actively trying to solve and they made a readlist. Im extending the same tell here, albeit on a lesser point because its later into the game and also they aren’t fully new. But its there nonetheless
-345 are you beginning to see the true greatness of N_M??
-One thing I REALLY don’t like from them is their reaction to N_M’s fake hammer. I personally think fake hammers are almost always pro-town(almost) and the fact that nom seemed defensive-ish about the “hammer” pings me. I strongly strongly disagree about it being anti-town, and whatever “obsufddsgsjcation” is fake-hammers are good when pulled off well.
-although I strongly disagree with the N_M push, I feel new!scum would have backed off after seeing other people push N_M as town
-other posts that I mostly skipped because I got bored

Lovebird/elsa jay- soulread Elsa town. More like

null

tho

Spoiler:

Lovebird was basically entirely AFK, although 147 seems way too quick and underexplained. Also voting insomnia without explanation.
Enter Elsa Jay <3
-So like, just in general I soul read Elsa Jay because I like their style of play and fun is fun <3
Seems very relaxed
-the mason stuff is kinda weird but its like.. not something scum does either.

GrandWazoo-

scum lean

, I don’t like his reactions to the alt stuff and all those interactions around them. @GW have you ever played with alts before? Their read on alacrity being an “enigma” feels wish-washy and faked. Their reaction around their wagon shading the people on it felt bad, but the anger kinda felt natural, like being called out when you feel its false. Some AtE in there, and also the only thing giving me doubts is the stuff about scum doublevotes. I’m not giving him a town clear here just because it was so outrageous in the first place, but I’m arguing with my gut rn.

Spoiler:

15 YOU MONSTER SoaB YOU EVIL BEAST!!!
146i mean, some people just don’t want to be known. Its actually quite common. I don’t see a problem with it.
194 what are you going on about with “enigmas”
242 again what is an “enigma” and why is it scum? I know what the word “enigma” means but why is it wolf here?
282 except the fact your read is “enigma” like ???
303 why are you so worried about alts??? Why do you think scum does “guess my main?” And not town??
346 holy fuck this is literally the point of using alts. To not have your identity fully revealed??? Some people want to play under a new guise. Some people want to not be meta’d. Some people just want to play with people without them knowing. This feels LAMIST like “oh boo hoo you not outing your alt helps scum” which is ???
352shades URAP for “bogus reasons” which is basically discrediting his argument.
359 IT takes work to make an alt and why would you out an alt just so you make another???
364Yes. It is absolutely NAI.
367finally off the alt-push, what does “riff” mean? And yes, N_M is just a meme lord. Have fun.
396 AtE. noted. I suck at reading AtE so someone help me.
342 I highly highly doubt this, and Idk why alacrity did double vote but it was obvious N_M did it to fake hammer. I feel this is too outrageous to be considered a town-slip, because its obviously not an actual mechanic, but its kinda weird to like, “assume scum has a weird mechanic with double voting” if you are scum. I don’t want to clear him for this, because its easily faked, but its giving me slight doubts. *NEXT DAY* I re-thought about this and its so obviously wrong that it doesn’t deserve any cred. So nai.

URAP-

Town,

I really like their entrance, and I think it shows a lot more town!urap trying to pressure than scum!urap. I disagree on their roster read, but I feel that its a real read, and I think they are just towny. I’ve been mind-melding like a motherfucker with them and that also increases my townread on them so :^)

Spoiler:

The stuff in the beginning (Around 34) ping me as town-ish, especially because I do know URAP loves that pet tell of his lul. So it rings town he’s actively trying to use it, even if its not fully accurate.
-48 like the questioning here. Its not the strongest point but its a good -curiosity- about the post.
-56mindmeld
-89 I personally disagree that bold/strong is a towntell, but they are still trying to solve imo, and I feel URAP believes the read.
-199 and others about this. I persoanlly disagree with giving out town reads becasuse of replace outs because it simply encourages the practice.
-258 dont call us kids, child. :angryrage:
-278 can you expand on what you “dont like”
-280 scratch the above bit you clarified, and I mind-meld on both. I expanded on it in my read too(i think lul)
-291 I’ve played with town roster before when they very much did freeze up as town. I think being bold is strongly NAI
-361 agree
-370 I think GW is scum
-421 I accuse you of stealing my brain thoughts! You are fined 10 chickens. Pay up. 
-496so basically. Is alacrity scum, town, or neither. We be real smart here bois. Can you make a stance on this?
-530 Is the towntell just the day chat stuff or more?
-618 uhh I never said it works for me??? I rep’d in, and had some time, when I was catching up, then my life caught up and screwed me over, and I finally am having time again last couple days. I don’t know why you think I’m saying “the activity works for me”
-620 dw, you wont :^)
-624poggers
-635 this is coming before a full read on locke, but I remember liking his entrance posts so I don’t think I want him dead today.

Not_Mafia-

town lean,

you know fuck it, I’m not even quoting any of their posts because its simple. I like their first fake hammer, and it feels much more likely to come from town!NM than scum!NM. I can’t rule it out but this is a town slot for me rn. I’m not entirely sure I like their second re-vote on GW, because its already been shown they’ve tried to fake hammer so its kinda worthless, but this is getting into semantics. But yeah, fake hammer towny. ALSO SONGS ARE POETRY HELP SAVE THE PLANET

Alacrity-

null town,

I have some ping moments while reading, such as their overly nice tone(although this could be personality) and some other gaps. Some self-meta, but overall I think they have had some towny stuff and I agree with them on a lot, so its certainly not strong, but I think they have a better chance to flip town than not.

Spoiler:

26 I personally have a pet peeve of people saying super nice stuff like “looking forward to playing with you all today” but if thats something with their personality/how they talk then its NAI.
119 As this is a multi-quote wall, ima do a number for each quote. It wont be logical so I might go like 1, 3, 6, 7 depending. It correlates to the quote in the post. Sorry if thats confusing
2)if you think the nom^3 post wasn’t good, why didn’t you comment on it, instead of the vote??
4)why specifically this post, and not the other ones?
7)what makes that “not a real thought”
138 calling this an over-reaction is a meme. How is it over-reacting to bring up an question they have??
142 I mean, if you think you might be misunderstanding his posts, but you don’t know If you are or not, then why don’t you continue asking? Why just drop it “Assuming” your misunderstanding??
221 I mean, if you think PP is scum, then yes, that could move the game forward…
264 why is GW scummier than anyone else on the wagon?
314 holy fuck thats a lot of words ._. I agree with the stuff about TMCK. I still want you to expand on GW being scum over the others. Also agree with the stuff about the “guess my main” post.
461 I don’t know why, my brain can not just logically read this post and understand it. So many big words to think about
464 Agree about URAP here, I’m not sure if I agree about the GW thing, its kinda an angle-angle-shoot read that I don’t like, but eh. 
466 agreed
473 could you expand on your roster townread? Other than that your basically stealing my brain so \0/. I personally disagree with this being a “scumslip” of knowing 3/2/whatever mafia, because I’m pretty sure I’ve seen town do that before, and its not something absolute.
Their streak of posting between 523-541 is kinda bleh, I really dislike using self-meta(in a sense) as a way to clear yourself from an argument, as I feel if you know it well enough to say it you could use it as mafia. Also just like, “you are tunneled” and “will you trust my reads” ping me a little.
642 that really doesn’t explain the vote change at all… why did you changed from your scum read to your scumread? Don’t think its wolfy just want thought.




Locke-conflicted,

null.

As previously stated, I did like their entrance, but they’ve also had very little explanations for their votes/reads, often even just having “hmmmm” or “!” As the reasoning. I feel they focus too much on what could be and what might be over what they THINK something is, which is the main basis of the confliction. Like the stuff about the replace out, they focus more on saying its “not towny” and “NAI” and trying to push that mindset instead of just expressing their read on it, be it town, scum, or NAI. Same thing basically happens with the wagon stuff. A couple things here and there, but I’m really conflicted on this.

Spoiler:

31 I already expressed why I liked this response, it felt natural/not stressed like I feel scum being pushed early would feel.
87 “read-related” where exactly? You quoted some posts and went “Hmmmm” thats not a read
206 Exclamation mark about what?
219 I’ve been in like 7 at once when I actually have free time. Its eh.
266 what? “nom gives because she's already on my scumlist and she didn't answer me quick enough basically and that's enough?” Where did this come from?
296i actually agree, replace outs are almost always NAI(almost), and I disagree with it being scummy or towny.
305 so uhh do you like the wagon or not?
312 Was this a Nathanial Green reference :fry: (i think it was N. Green that said I regret that I have but one life to live for my country :3)
336how is it a trick if its wolfy :^)
Also can you make, like a hard stance on what you think is happening on the wagons. You’ve been going on about all the different possiblites, but I have yet to see you make a strong stance. If you have, and I’m just a blind bastard, then thats fine. 
623 and 625 what changed between these two posts of pseudo defending to voting?

PP-

town lean

Its late and I don’t want to spend too much time reading 130 posts. I remember the one scum game I played With PP during the marathon he was kinda slank-y and actually ended up getting replaced, while in other town games he’s pretty clearly town, active, and penguin-y. Thats what I’m seeing this game. Im unsure if the other scum game is his usual, or if that was anomalous, but from my experience this is more likely town than scum.

[Eragon]

(URAP)
(PP, N_M, Nom)
(Alacrity)
(Locke, Elsa)
(TMCK)
(GW, Roster)

also just realize my roster read got combined with tmck read

Roster:

Scum lean,

While I like the fact that they look like they’re trying to solve in the beginning, the tunnel on LHF does seem opportunistic, and to me it looks like Roster is just pulling reads out of their ass with town reads on PP and Alacrity. I explained further below, but their posts are very spread and I just don’t see them being focused on real scum hunting.
-32 and 79 to [/post] 83[/post] are all literally just tunneling nom^3, which I do find opportunistic, but at the same time Roster is posting multiple reasons thinking nom is scum. I’ve already talked about the reasons themselves so no reason to bring that up again, I disagree with them, but I think its towny that Roster is trying to solve. 
-163 can you elaborate on like, any of these reads as you haven’t mentioned any of these players except for nom up until now. additionaly, I know its not a scumclaim, but why do you assume that “I do believe newbies are good to keep around since they usually improve their game later on and you can figure them out more easily.” Would be a scum claim in the first place?
-165uhhh that was like, not at all what the post was about? He said that he thought nom was newbscum. Yes. He then said he thought its better to keep newbies around for multiple reasons. Yes. He then said that he thinks Locke is scum, and gave reasons. Yes. He then voted locke. yes. There was nothing about a “counterwagon”
-181 Or he’s just solving the game(!)
-211 what was your reasoning behind this post? I have some things I’m mulling over about your intentions but I want to hear it from you.
-386 what changed from “DK if I’ve missed anything but I couldn’t see a reason for Grandwazoo vote? Please tell.” Except GW trying to get alacrity to out? And then just saying 
“nah I don’t really want to talk about it, but that was just a super BS reason and its bad” which… going by your own logic… is a bs reason?
-415 where the fuck was this progression? Early on you thought URAP was town, fair. And reads do change, yes, fair. But what happened in between? You didn’t show any thought process that shows a change from “towny tone” to “this is actually scum”

[Eragon]

uhh

i really should've spoilered that

@chibi send halp plox

Done, hope this is ok!

[nomnomnom]

I only have one big question for you, Eragon.

Considering Roster and GW are both in your scum leans list, and that Roster pushed GW to L-1 with a weak reason then shortly after switched to urap, how does that affect your reads?

[Eragon]

i dont like to do full association reads until after i see flips
so i could see them being TvS
but i think they are both individually scummy
i don't think putting someone to L-1 then switching off is AI at all anyways

[Eragon]

also thanks @chibi

[Eragon]

basically what im saying


I'll take it into consideration
but wont act on it until after i see flips

[themilkcartonkid]

I can type up every theory and probably when I do that I'll realize some of them are too stupid, but it will be a couple days, busy next few days. I'll be playing on mobile for now

[PenguinPower]

I will vote GW or milkcartonkid today.

I won’t vote Eragon.

[Alacrity]

Eragon is not a good wagon. =)

[PenguinPower]

2 days left people.

Make a decision.

[nomnomnom]

I will vote with Elsa over anyone else.

I won’t vote Eragon.

Betrayed!


Also there is no way I'm voting either of those.

[PenguinPower]

It's almost like Eragon did stuff between those two posts that affected my read on the slot...

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: GrandWazoo

He (Eragon) correctly null-read me for my actions today. So I am fine with the demise of the Wazoo of Grand proportions.

Imma shoot Roster tonight btw.

[nomnomnom]

It's almost like Eragon did stuff between those two posts that affected my read on the slot...

I was trying to be funny, you ruined it

[u r a person 2]

whats GW at?

[rosterfoster]

Eragon makes common read for scum, ergo Eragon is town.

Seems legit.

[PenguinPower]

whats GW at?

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