Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Prince of Renais]

I don't care about you man. I don't want to bully you. I don't want to stalk your games. Given the ongoing game situation we can't discuss this but you know or should reasonably know that I am not actively trying to harass you and you're still treating me like I hurt your family. You never expressed a desire to not play games with me. Now you have.

[Prince of Renais]

Like until this game you were not really a person I had any conscious opinion on

[Liger_Zero]

Isn't there a rule about not making the game personal....

[Liger_Zero]

Remember that this is a game - heated discussion is allowed, but personal attacks are not. Comment on play, not player.

Seems like a good rule

[DrDolittle]

The dousing thing is sorta whatever I kinda buy his explanation tho it doesnt look like tryna townslip it just looks like a dumb mistake

look if you believe i made a dumb mistake then im town. if you think im faking it then im scum. if you cant tell whether im faking it, then its null.

[DrDolittle]

I went back and looked at this cause I initially looked at the sample when this was first brought up, but DDL was quoting the line in the rules. The rules and the sample have different wording for it. Funnily enough, DDL picked the one that helped benefited his initial comments regarding dousing/igniting the most.

tell me when you are learning how to play the game. do you look at the rules or the character cards?

[DrDolittle]

Like yeah i agree its weird and it doesnt help that dolittles missing a bunch of shit but i dont see the point in scum choosing to fake any of the shit you say hes faking
Like when jingle shoved the thing in his face dolittle responded to it
I dont think his postings all that strong here but its not rly scummy

Fair enough. While I don't think there's any benefiting factor behind the things I'm claiming DDL has faked, the posts themselves are alarming. DDL has been responding to very select posts of mine, and coincidentally enough it's all of the posts where I'm not accusing him that he's responding to. He never gives me anything to work with, other than "I would fake better than that"--which doesn't mean anything.

To respond to your awfully formatted post: DDL saw the post in Post 3059. The "i knew it if i kept repeating im not scum people would believe me" comment proves that since it was right after Jingle's unvote in Post 3058. There's nothing else that this could be referring to. I don't buy that he completely forgot that Jingle had a case on him in the previous page simply 5 posts (Post 3064) after saying that.

you're posts are not very good and i don't feel like responding. and besides, maxwell responded pretty much what i wanted to say anyways

[Liger_Zero]

drdolittle has some great posts here.

[DrDolittle]

fuck there are so many players in the game i cant keep track of reads. I forgot I had Vedith as town midway into day 2 because Vedith-scum has no reason to hard defend shoshin.

[Liger_Zero]

Like why am I here all scum Maxie shopping for reads when theres an entire thread of opinions i could grab for convenience
idk i feel like im pretty obvious trying to interact w people and talk abt their reads and your conclusions arent making any sense
@Liger

Because your opinions do look like they are being shopped so far? Not seeing much in terms of original thinking but I haven't been really reading your posts as of late so theres that.

[Liger_Zero]

fuck there are so many players in the game i cant keep track of reads. I forgot I had Vedith as town midway into day 2 because Vedith-scum has no reason to hard defend shoshin.

You were doing so good!

[DrDolittle]

Jingle engage me here, why is Anka and mcqueen green for you

[DrDolittle]

@Liger - Vedith scum tries really hard. I don't quite think he's scum here?

[Liger_Zero]

So he isn't scum because he isn't trying? Got anything to back that up?

[DrDolittle]

^ Like I presume one of the reasons Ved is getting scumread is because he's barely putting in anything and coasting by, and I'm just saying that's more town indicative of him, I think. Evidence for example Mini 2057

I have some thoughts on Dannflor, but I'll wait till his catchup post tonight

[DrDolittle]

ugh DT read town to me cause scum-DT replacing out that scenario would be an extremely bitchy move after provoking shoshin and getting rebuffed. But I guess I don't recall Dannflor doing anything entering the game that makes me think oh gee that slot is town.

[DrDolittle]

Could Maxwell be town? I don't see scum!maxwell defending me for any reason. At most he can take a very neutral stance and not comment.
But I guess I am easily pocketed. Still that could be a mild town read rn

[DrDolittle]

Moving things round a bit... This time I think ordered reads

Town
Reiuji Utsuho
Extrapolated Eagle
Karmeleon *
Prince of Renais replaced PvtUrist
Xtoxm *
NerfedBuJ
MaxwellPuckett replaced Clemency *


Null
Vedith
Liger_Zero replaced Gamma Emerald **
Alisae RAS
mcqueen

Scummy
Jingle replaced Frozen Angel
Ankamius replaced Lycanfire *

???
Dannflor replaced DoubtingThomas

[Jingle]

look if you believe i made a dumb mistake then im town.

No. I see absolutely no reason town would be more likely to make that mistake than scum. The mistake itself is NAI.

Jingle engage me here, why is Anka and mcqueen green for you

mcqueen is town because he's an outsource read and no one has given a reason to lynch him. People have danced around saying 'well maybe' but there's been no actual reason.

Ank has been syncing up on a couple thoughts and her interactions with EE feel like town ank.

Why are you not interested in either of the not you options I'm okay with?

[DrDolittle]

No. I see absolutely no reason town would be more likely to make that mistake than scum. The mistake itself is NAI.

Jingle
You think scum doesn't know their own dousing mechanic, and if they are unsure
they wouldnt ask mod that the first thing?

[Liger_Zero]

They could if they aren't paying attention lol

[DrDolittle]

Why are you not interested in either of the not you options I'm okay with?

I think xtoxm is town. I outlined why I thought DT was town, but Dann's play has given me hesitations.

[DrDolittle]

mcqueen is town because he's an outsource read and no one has given a reason to lynch him. People have danced around saying 'well maybe' but there's been no actual reason.

Ank has been syncing up on a couple thoughts and her interactions with EE feel like town ank.

Why does that make mcqueen green town rather than yellow null.

Highlight to me where Ank's been making good thoughts. Is it purely based on her agreement with you that Dann is scum?

[Xtoxm]

i fooled him in LNT and his suspicion of me here just kinda feels genuine
i think both scum are in
liger, rei, dann, jingle, ddl, prince

Idk Im townreading rei and prince and kinda dolittle too
Couldnt scum mcqueen rly easily cite meta on you to push you
Its kindve an unexpected read to me since you just said his meta was bad

town apply meta badly very often tho, it doesnt make him scum
it makes sense for him to be initially sus imo
if he just sits on the tunnel, does nothing else and never reconsiders then perhaps he is scum

[Xtoxm]

guess i should try and do something other than slapfight

Ankamius replaced Lycanfire * - i slight tr lycan. particularly the 'oops' hammer. i think scum-lycan would be paying more attention, i kinda doubt he would fake that. not a super strong read.
Liger_Zero replaced Gamma Emerald ** - i sr gamma, liger is starting to make the slot look better recently but wouldnt call it town yet
RAS replaced Alisae - fairly strong tr based on ali
Reiuji Utsuho - my understanding from what others have said is that she's a strong player and i imagine she's capable of putting the kind of stuff on the board that she's done this game. not seen a reason for me to take it out my poe, altho not a sr per se, just not town
Dannflor replaced DoubtingThomas - DT was scummy to me. not sure about dann. slot could be scum.
NerfedBuJ - tr some early posts, competing wagon to scum
MaxwellPuckett replaced Clemency * - since max entrance, slot is looking town. played with scum!max and this feels diff. very old meta tho, use with caution.
Jingle replaced Frozen Angel - scummy to me. not convinced that he believes some of the stances he's taking.
Extrapolated Eagle - probably has exceeded his scumrange imo.
DrDolittle - maybe starting to look a little town? seems like hes trying to get the game back on track, when scum could easily coast on me/prince stuff
Vedith - like others have said, tend to agree he would be doing more as scum. he usually sr me when im town.
Prince of Renais replaced PvtUrist - trying my best to put personal feelings aside, i do think this could be scum leading the town. pvt was scummy to me. power mislynching sho is +scum equity, unlikely he wins if he allows her stay around for a long time. i dont believe that he believes im scum either. could just be town lynching someone he knows is town for ego or whatever.
mcqueen * - have discussed
Karmeleon * - im fairly confident this is karm's town game. wouldnt want to lynch ever.