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Post Post #3075 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:17 am

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In post 2825, scum reading wrote:
Today’s lynch is in between me / Shoshin, there’s no reason to start any other duels
, this is the lynch with the most information.

Look at xtoxm’s scum team. Auro didn’t give any opinion on my slot other than “you’re active lurking” and it’s the sole reason I’m a push this game. I was not active lurking. I’ve explained the situation.

And now he is convicted I’m scum, only in LyLo and doesn’t doubt shoshin at all. What does that say to you?

Xtoxm also has a scum team in which shoshin isn’t included.
The "there's no reason to start any other duels" was in response to me talking about wanting to start a 1vs1 against DoubtingThomas. Scumreading knew everyone's alignment. He knew that I am town. If DoubtingThomas is also town, why would he actively discourage me from starting a 1vs1 against DoubtingThomas? If he could have gotten me to vote for DoubtingThomas, that would have been such an easy path to victory for him if both DT and I are town. Much easier than trying to get Shoshin lynched. At this point in the game, he must have accepted the reality that he was badly losing his 1vs1 against Shoshin and was most likely going down. If DoubtingThomas and I are both town, he would have either encouraged me to start a 1vs1 against DT or not commented on it at all. Not actively discourage it.

He actively discouraged it because DoubtingThomas is his partner, and he knew that he was going down and didn't want it to become 100% confirmed that at least one of {Volxen, DoubtingThomas} is scum.

And here he discouraged me from starting a 1vs1 against DoubtingThomas yet again:
In post 2831, scum reading wrote:Chennis, you have info on me and shoshin and how the game went.
Getting into a completely new 1v1 and waiting for them to talk is, for one, time consuming

And two, unnecessary

We’ve already spent a few days on our encounter, there’s no reason to start a new one

As you said, 1 scum has to be in between shoshin and I
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Post Post #3076 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:34 am

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So we lynch Volx today & DT tomorrow if Volx flips town?
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Post Post #3077 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:45 am

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not chen is fine by me
lets see what dt wants
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Post Post #3078 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:47 am

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In post 2878, scum reading wrote:
In post 2873, volxen wrote:I will post more later on how I think DoubtingThomas is scum regardless of Scumreading's alignment, even if I reduce the number of assumptions that I initially made.

That being said, @Scumreading are you outright refusing to vote for DoubtingThomas today?
Volx, lynching Shoshin is the play here. This IS the safest lynch. Depending on the nominees tomorrow I'll be able to confirm my reads on DT and Auro.

Right now, there's no reason on why I would vote DT. He's done nothing this game phase and it is hard sorting him as it is.
I am ten times more confident in a Shoshin lynch and there's no reason to abstain that. This is a SvT and it would make no sense for me to drop this. Shoshin is lockscum and she's the safest lynch, at least for me. I can tell it's hard for people to sort our roles, but the game play until now should give you indications to our alignments. This battle WILL have to take place regardless if we lynch another scum now, but this is, once again, the safest option for me. She's pushing my mislynch today based on Vedith's meta read which was my activity, she doesn't have a case on me, I've made a case on her that she completely disregarded and said I won't comment on it, yet when chennis says "Scum reading, you should make a case on Shoshin", Shoshin said "
If he were to make a case
, I'd point out any rhetorical thoughts", but she didn't. She saw my case . She ignored it and she didn't want to bring the fact that I've made a case on her so that chennis will be inclined to vote me. That's scum af. She's trying to pressure people into voting me, like chennisden, which is the easiest to persuade. She won't try to make you or Alonzo vote me because you guys probably won't and she knows that. She just needs chennis to place his vote and that's gg.
Interesting that he said, "Depending on the nominees tomorrow I'll be able to confirm my reads on DT and Auro" in response to my post that he quoted here, when my post was only about DoubtingThomas and made no mention of Auro. And this was the third time he discouraged a DoubtingThomas wagon.

Aside from that, in the above post he is acting as if he still needs to sort Auro, despite previously saying that the two scum on his wagon were Shoshin and Auro. As pointed out on day five, Scumreading refused all requests to vote for Auro even after Auro should have been confirmed scum from his point of view (if SR were town):
In post 2751, scum reading wrote:Auro and Shoshin are on my wagon and somehow I'm not quickhammered. Which means that they are the 2 scums waiting for a townie to place their vote so the third one can quickhammer.
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Post Post #3079 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:58 am

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So:

1) Scumreading actively discouraged me from voting for DoubtingThomas in lylo.

2) Scumreading refused to vote for Auro in lylo and tunneled on Shoshin when his was wagon {Shoshin, Auro}.

If DT and I are both town, it would have been in his interest for me to vote for DT. If Shoshin and Auro are both town, it would have made sense for him to consider switching gears and start pushing Auro instead of Shoshin, especially since he was already badly losing his 1vs1 against Shoshin.

Him discouraging me from starting a 1vs1 against DoubtingThomas and refusing to vote for Auro in lylo makes sense if they are both his partners.
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Post Post #3080 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:00 am

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DoubingThomas has been prodded.
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Post Post #3081 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:01 am

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In post 2696, Auro wrote:
In post 2677, Shoshin wrote:I voted them so at this point your lynch options are me or SR. If one of us is town, the game's over.
This looks like a slip to me. Can you spot the mistake?
In post 2710, scum reading wrote:
I voted them so at this point your lynch options are me or SR. If one of us is town, the game's over.
Scum slip? Oopsies, thought you were town. At least from your own pov.

Guess I’m the dedicated mislynch that Volxen was talking about

VOTE: Shoshin

She didn’t follow through with the chennis lynch to mislynch me. If Vedith wouldn’t have flipped, you guys wouldn’t have pushed me.

Now Shoshin has a reason to push as well.

With the people that townread me being dead, this mislynch is the easiest for her (RC repped out and Irrelephant died)

Auro and Scumreading both shade Shoshin over the same supposed "scumslip".
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Post Post #3082 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:14 am

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In post 2720, scum reading wrote:
In post 1705, Shoshin wrote:Best reason for lynching Volx today: to prevent Auro's mislynch later.
Here, Shoshin is already defending Auro. I do have to admit it's a bold move.
In post 1745, Shoshin wrote:SR's locktown.
The scum are within DT, Clem, Vedith, and Fusco.
Pay attention to her words.
In post 1853, Shoshin wrote:If DT's town, he's letting a personal grudge get in the way of this game.
In this post, her tendency is to believe DT is scum, but she didn't really push this idea throughout the game.
In post 1946, Shoshin wrote:DT pushing my lynch because says he can't work with me is pretty scummy.
She pointed this out, but has never pushed DT, at all.
In post 2109, Shoshin wrote:Sorry I'm lynching you Irrel if you're town, I'm just paranoid because you townread Fusco.
This is a bad reasoning, also, you said this after this:
In post 1736, Shoshin wrote:
In post 875, Shoshin wrote:I'm never voting you, Irrel.
I said this on D1.
Yet, you voted because you didn't agree on a scum read?
In post 2267, Shoshin wrote:Auro, where's your vote on Fusco?
Here, she's pushing the first mislynch and gets Auro in to vote with her because the majority of people were already scum reading Fus, so this is a smart move, not necessarily risky.
In post 2296, Shoshin wrote:How am I scummier than Vedith/Chenn?
Now with this, I remember the nomination list. This was perfect for Shoshin, as she was being town read by town. In retrospect, that lynch list advantages Shoshin in every way. Chennisden is an easy mislynch bait because of him being a lurker, just like me. Now, watch what happens next:
In post 2306, Shoshin wrote:Vedith, please explain in greater detail why you're scumreading SR.
She's still town reading me for her own reasons that she never mentioned.
In post 2320, Shoshin wrote:I've lost motivation to play mafia in general.
At this moment, she was being voted and pressured by a lot of people. This is AtE and she used it to escape a lynch.
In post 2366, Shoshin wrote:How do you know SR is scum?
She's still town reading me...
In post 2374, Shoshin wrote:It's possible that SR's scum but I'm not going to get there is nobody gives strong reasons for the read. "Coasting" isn't sufficient when that's half the game.
Now, watch this progression. An 8 post difference in between theses 2 post. This reading progression is really off. She was already preparing my mislynch for today in this moment, because of my lurkiness. She needed me alive because I sheeped her for a large portion of the game.
In post 2397, Shoshin wrote:Lynch Vedith.
If he's town, lynch SR tomorrow.
This is where that whole case was debated. Of course I was paranoid, again, this seemed like she was preparing my mislynch. And it looks like it happened.
In post 2400, Shoshin wrote:Town Vedith doesn't keep making this argument that I mislynched Irrel when I townread the guy.
According to my earlier posts, you lynched Irrel because "Sorry irrel, you townreading Fus is making me paranoid" after saying Irrel would never be a lynch for you. What a weak reasoning to escape a nominee list in which you've placed yourself.
In post 2498, Shoshin wrote:I still think it's the DT/Chen/Vedith team. It's the least complicated solve. And they gave us a nice gift by nominating themselves to help us test it during even phase.
She didn't really talk about DT too much. Look at this list of scum reads and then look at the nominee list from yesterday. Does that ring any bells? Why isn't she pushing chennisden today? Because she abuses Vedith's meta read on me, even though he didn't even discuss it. She's pushing a scum agenda on me based on meta that she hasn't read.
In post 2517, Shoshin wrote:
In post 2515, scum reading wrote:This is where I'm at for now, reads will most likely change post-flip.
Why are you scumreading me for saying my reads might change post-flip?
In post 2518, Shoshin wrote:
In post 2515, scum reading wrote:This is where I'm at for now, reads will most likely change post-flip.
The phrase "reads will most likely change post-flip" implies an informed perspective about the flip. Do you realize that?
These two posts were distorted and she tried to portray me as scum, when, in reality, what I've said made perfect sense.
In post 2555, Shoshin wrote:VOTE: chennisden
In post 2596, Shoshin wrote:VOTE: Chennisden
Let's just get on with this.
She's pushing her alleged "scum read". If you think about it, the nominee list, in retrospect, after Vedith's flip,was heavily in her favor. She needed to vote whoever and she'd be fine.
In post 2643, Shoshin wrote:VOTE: Vedith
This proves my point above.
In post 2671, Shoshin wrote:VOTE: DoubtingThomas
This is the weirdest vote and it is a huge bluff. She has always mentioned DT is scum, yet she throws a vote this late in the stage for WIFOM, and then immediately votes for me. She didn't say anything regarding her DT vote.
In post 2672, Shoshin wrote:VOTE: scum reading
In post 2721, scum reading wrote:
In post 661, Auro wrote:>Bad push on Irre's excitement and refusal to answer my questions asking why
>Refusal to explain stances
>"I'm not scum, I'm disappointed in you"
>"If you want to push my lynch I'll push a lynch on you"
>"It's absurd you think I'm scum"

Also:
In post 618, Shoshin wrote:When I beat you as scum, RC, I'm going to be so town that you're going to be telling everyone never to lynch me as I lead your mislynch.
I get the feeling she's deliberately not putting in effort to look towny from this quote, and for some reason thinks that should get her townread?
In post 1174, Shoshin wrote:
In post 1171, Auro wrote:Trusting RC + I'm fine with a DT lynch independently anyway.
Why are you trusting RC? What're your independent reasons to lynch DT? What's your preferred lynch?
In post 1217, Shoshin wrote:Hey DT, you're not going to get RC lynched today so why don't you vote someone else?
In post 1297, Shoshin wrote:DT's scum. He shouldn't be scumreading me at this point.
In post 1435, Shoshin wrote:I'm locktown on Auro but otherwise okay reads.
In post 1515, Shoshin wrote:
In post 1512, Auro wrote:Shoshin, I'd like for you to respond to my earlier question re: when I became locktown for you.
While rereading, post .
In post 1745, Shoshin wrote:SR's locktown.

The scum are within DT, Clem, Vedith, and Fusco.
In post 1951, Shoshin wrote:Irrel, or Auro, or Alonzo, or someone, please ask DT what his reads are. It appears he has none.
In post 2439, Shoshin wrote:Fuck it, I'm done with this game.

I'll stick around to sheep Auro since he's the only person making sense.
In post 2677, Shoshin wrote:SR is scum, Volx. There's no getting around that simple fact.

I voted them so at this point your lynch options are me or SR. If one of us is town, the game's over.
Look at all these posts. Notice all the commentary on DT's slot, yet she never pushed him.

Shoshin also locktowns auro and claims she'll sheep his vote and lately they've distanced from each other when in comparison with the early game.

Shoshin's claiming that I'm scum, yet her scum team was DT/Chenn/Fus,
but she's never pushed DT. Which makes sense. DT is lurking as he is, if it boils down to a moment where shoshin / auro are pressured, DT is an easy bus. That's why she didn't push him yet.
After he got into his 1vs1 against Shoshin, Scumreading started to aggressively paint Shoshin/Auro/DoubtingThomas as the scumteam. It makes sense that he would heavily shade and distance himself from both of his partners (Auro and DT) if he figures he is going to lose his 1vs1 against Shoshin anyways.
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Post Post #3083 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:28 pm

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little birdie told me i have been prodded
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Post Post #3084 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:29 pm

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Volxen. I don't even know what you mean by 1 vs 1. lmao you.
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Post Post #3085 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:45 pm

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In post 3063, volxen wrote:
In post 3043, DoubtingThomas wrote:GOT THE JOB
Congratulations!
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Post Post #3086 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:47 pm

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guess yall want me to vote first
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Post Post #3087 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:48 pm

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VOTE: chennisden
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Post Post #3088 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:48 pm

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VOTE: alonzo
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Post Post #3089 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:49 pm

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VOTE: volxen
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Post Post #3090 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:49 pm

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VOTE: doubtingthomas
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Post Post #3091 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:50 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #3092 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:51 pm

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We go together
Better than birds of a feather, you and me
We change the weather, yeah
I'm feeling heat in December when you're 'round me
I've been dancing on top of cars and stumbling out of bars
I follow you through the dark, can't get enough
You're the medicine and the pain, the tattoo inside my brain
And, baby, you know it's obvious
I'm a sucker for you
You say the word and I'll go anywhere blindly
I'm a sucker for you, yeah
Any road you take, you know that you'll find me
I'm a sucker for all the subliminal things
No one knows about you (about you) about you (about you)
And you're making the typical me break my typical rules
It's true, I'm a sucker for you, yeah
Don't complicate it (yeah)
'Cause I know you and you know everything about me
I can't remember (yeah)
All of the nights I don't remember
When you're 'round me (oh, yeah yeah)
I've been dancing on top of cars and stumbling out of bars
I follow you through the dark, can't get enough
You're the medicine and the pain, the tattoo inside my brain
And, baby, you know it's obvious
I'm a sucker for you
You say the word and I'll go anywhere blindly
I'm a sucker for you, yeah
Any road you take, you know that you'll find me
I'm a sucker for all the subliminal things
No one knows about you (about you) about you (about you)
And you're making the typical me break my typical rules
It's true, I'm a sucker for you, yeah
I've been dancing on top of cars and stumbling out of bars
I follow you through the dark, can't get enough
You're the medicine and the pain, the tattoo inside my brain
And, baby, you know it's obvious
I'm a sucker for you
You say the word and I'll go anywhere blindly
I'm a sucker for you, yeah
Any road you take, you know that you'll find me
I'm a sucker for all the subliminal things
No one knows about you (about you) about you (about you)
And you're making the typical me break my typical rules
It's true, I'm a sucker for you
I'm a sucker for you
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Post Post #3093 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:23 pm

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In post 3076, Shoshin wrote:So we lynch Volx today & DT tomorrow if Volx flips town?
stop being so agenda driven
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Post Post #3094 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:31 pm

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ima rng
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Post Post #3095 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:32 pm

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VOTE: volxen

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Post Post #3096 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:05 pm

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Post Post #3097 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:06 pm

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Post Post #3098 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:06 pm

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Post Post #3099 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:06 pm

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...!
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