Mini Normal 2066: Catloaves [Game Over!]

[nomnomnom]

Ok I don’t actually object to this lynch but I’m not ready to end the day yet. You’re right.

[Alacrity]

It would be much better to legitimately claim rather than soft endlessly, TMCK.

You are very unlikely to lose my vote otherwise.

[themilkcartonkid]

The threat, my response, and Elsas response. Plus nom not getting it

[themilkcartonkid]

Town odd night disloyal roleblocker. I'm not going to be useful tonight anyway. Peace.

[Alacrity]

Who did you block?

[PenguinPower]

Who did you block last night?

[themilkcartonkid]

Elsa

[Alacrity]

UNVOTE: themilkcartonkid

I need to rethink something real fast. =)

[Eragon]

prepare thyselves

Spoiler:

catching up rn

[Eragon]

Scum is either Eragon or milk or both. Despite claiming intent to join the wagon multiple times and saying he scumread GW, Eragon didn't put GW at L-1 nor did he hammer. Seen scum pull this trick before were they claimed intent to hammer without much time left on the clock to try and wait out the timer. And the whole GW pushing the alac wagon as an alternative to Eragon's with some piss poor reasoning, even though he claimed he still scumread Insomnia/Eragon.

Milk did join the wagon, multiple times, but kept trying to undermine it or start different wagons to draw attention away, such as trying to vote up Alac and The Penguin of all people. Also even when it was clear there was no way GW wasn't getting out of day 1 alive no matter what he claimed, he still tried to use the excuse of waiting for the claim to not hammer, which if he had been let off for, GW could have just never claimed as there wasn't much time left.

VOTE: Eragon

I already stated my reasons for not putting to L-1, because i didn't want a hammer at that time, and NM wasnt on the wagon

And the second time when i did the "animal abuse stuff" i mistimed my school's break period and had to go to class before anyone else responded.

anyways, do we not have plurality this game?
its something that i normally just assume, because im used to having it, but i realized i never checked lol.

Alacrity conftown. I noticed that town split into pairs. Lock and roster, me and nom, urap and alac, pp and Elsa. N-m grandwazoo and eragon never really had anyone they gelled with. I dont think alac kills the only one who was agreeing with their reads

what even

i agree alacrity is confirmed town

but this is NOT the reason alacrity is conf town. anyways thats not true, i kinda melded with urap on a majority, but not all.

people kill people with similar reads all the time, it helps lock those reads "in stone" and you can use the fact that "Scum killed b/c accurate" reason to push

also

milk going

"but the claiiiiim"

and in his next post hammering shows lack of real progression

This is disingenuous, read the posts in between

yes, you didn;t have any posts in between

i saw the other people posting. But you didn't comment, and just hammered without changing "your opinion" in thread.

if your belief is to have GW to claim, i'd expect you to have more to say than "/vote Grandwazoo"

[Eragon]

Ok I'll drop the alt business since it seems NAI here.

Nomnom & Urap still haven't addressed 282

I feel like this post happened because of a partner telling him to stop. 3 people doing this were URAP, Nom and Locke.

or it was everyone in thread pushing back on him and him finally realizing it was bad?
i dont think this occured because someone specific told him to stop.

Finally got a chance to read Eragon catch up. Reminds me of when I'd turn in a massive term paper 2 hrs before it's due, knowing the prof had neither time nor desire to read the damn thing. It's got lots of content, and lots of footnotes, it must be good!

Alas, his SR on me centers almost entirely on the Alacrity-alt business, which I dropped literally 15 pages ago and have no intention of revisiting. Is this a scummy push? More to the point, would scum continue to bang on at length about this, thereby drawing unwanted attention? Or is this more likely to come from a bullheaded town? I mean, I ask myself this all the time and it's usually the latter.

As I explained elsewhere, "Riff" means a joke in this context.

It was Nathan Hale, not Nathaniel Greene, who said "I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country."

I agree with most of these townreads, with the exception of Elsa and NM. Evidently to get townread by Eragon your playstyle must either be "fun" or YOLO. NM is unlynchable it seems. Elsa's ISO is really bad.

VOTE: Elsa

Vote on Elsa without reasons. IDK whether this is more likely to be a bus or not, so I’ll just leave it.

definitely town points. There was some momentum(not much) on elsa, but pushing the other wagon gives possiblity of a switch, and i don't think scum risks that
i dont lock town elsa for it, but definite town points.

A traitor would know the mafia but the mafia wouldn’t know them, so I’m more comfortable with saying that just Locke has these asdociatives.

VOTE: Locke

but didn't you bring up multiple points from Grandwazoo -> locke that showed w/w??

[Eragon]

VOTE: roster

Your latest posts make me think you have scum information to say all of this, and it's visible in your wording choices in particular.

Can you point some out please

Roster was really assertive on day 1. A lot of certainties in their posts, a lot of confidence and general pushing a lot their convictions without much doubt. That really stood out to me even if it kind of stopped near the end of that day.

Then today you have this kind of post.

Ok I'll drop the alt business since it seems NAI here.

Nomnom & Urap still haven't addressed 282

I

feel like

this post happened because of a partner telling him to stop. 3 people doing this were URAP, Nom and Locke.

I'm wondering if scum have some weird mecha where they get rewarded for double voting. Alacrity and NM have both done it. This doesn't happen by accident on the same wagon.

And no Urap I didn't think I was hammered. I may be a prick but I'm not an idiot lol

I

think

this means NM isn’t scum.

It's such a bs reason to start pushing someone.

There's standard bs reasons, and there's that.

UNVOTE: GrandWazoo
Yeah, I'm not comfortable with GW at L-1 for a reason this weak, it's like the least scum-indicative thing about GW

I also

feel like

this is trying to stop the GW lynch. From memory I was comfortable going to L-1 because NM was already on the wagon.

Well then I'm fine with helping start the Insomnia/Eragon wagon back up again, after all my read on GW is mainly based off the possibility of him being Insomnia's scum partner so why not find out whether Insomnia/Eragon is scum first

VOTE: Eragon

‘My read is based on being Insomnia’s scum partner’

seems

untrue to me.

Like if you read all of these you can see that a lot of it is speculation and that those lead to a Locke vote. The only post that isn't like this is the one calling Alacrity conftown.
There's also their post about a traitor, when I read it I was like "huh why are you mentioning a traitor all of a sudden".

So I think this either means that Roster is using scum information and that those are written as "feelings" (which is uncharacteristic considering his early game) or this means that it's a lot of additional nonsense to justify their Locke vote. This is scum either way.

mafia is literally a game of speculation

i do see the tone shift but i know i can get very confident on some things and very not confident on other things

Why does it seem untrue when I literally only started looking for other scum besides Insomnia based off the idea that they acted like they might be his scum partner?

His actions don't make sense to me from a town perspective, especially with his lack of fearing a quickhammer and the fact he was properly scumreading Insomnia. Like this explanation just seems fishy asf to me

Tells me that you had independent from being Insomnia's partner.

How does that dispute me saying I

mainly

based my scumread of him off of the idea he was Insomnia/Eragon's scum parter

basing reads in general off of pre-flip associations is wolfy

Do you think I actually thought you'd get lynched? Maybe it's because you're inexperienced, but that sort of lynch never goes through.

thats actually false i've seen multiple D1 lynches that should never have happened early because lol

but i do agree with the theory

Nom I never actually scumread people D1.

yikes

how can you say this, and yet call Locke out for "lying" about his reads.

you most certainly did scumread people, and if you have 1000IQ plays scumreading people in thread but not thinking their scum then...

well...

i dont know what to say

[Eragon]

In post 506, ChibiBear wrote:

uhh ok?

isnt this what Roster said?

Since scum would almost certainly never pair that in main chat.

uhh what?

scum definitely would engage that with their buddy.

even with or without daychat

they can push back for associations, they can push to stop GW from talking about it, they can push to look townier, theres every reason to engage in thread with grandwazoo as a buddy, when the push is something that bad, as going after someone for not outing their alt

One scum here;

{Alacrity, nomnomnom, themilkcartonkid}

One scum here:

{Locke113, rosterfoster, Eragon}

Is where I'm at right now.

If roster is scum, nom is likely scum as well.

why roster/nom?

i actually think that they are almost never SvS based off Roster's quick bussing(were that the scenario) and their recent interactions

im more looking at Locke/TMCK or Roster/TMCK

[Eragon]

Yes, the guy who led the eod push on scum is scum.

Don't be bad.

Also true.

I’m kind of 50/50 over Milk or Elsa, but Eragon makes sense to be scum off the wagon.

explain why you think im scum?

Can you expound on this please?

Scum tells Wazoo in scumchat to stop the alt thing IMO and says nothing in main chat to try to take the attention away from the situation.

or they shut down the conversation in thread, and shut it down quicker than GW going, "oh i was probably dumb" with no reasoning or pushing during that.

[Elsa Jay]

Who did you block?

Elsa

Well good thing I didn't waste my single shot yesterday. Seriously though why rb a vigi claim.

[Eragon]

Yes, the guy who led the eod push on scum is scum.

Don't be bad.

Also true.

I’m kind of 50/50 over Milk or Elsa, but Eragon makes sense to be scum off the wagon.

Then join me on the Eragon wagon, we've got cookies

why do

you

scumread me?

other than me not being on the final wagon?

VOTE: Eragon

Sure.

explain

So is there some reason, or what? Becuse every other living player except Elsa and NM is in there I think.

Ah, sorry. NM should be included to, and even though I have Alacrity included I don't really think he's scum.

Really, it's probably just one in nom/milk

and then one in everyone else off the wagon.

i agree

I believe you all are forgetting about this slot! =)

VOTE: themilkcartonkid

certainly havent forgotten about them lul

strong scum

[themilkcartonkid]

Who did you block?

Elsa

Well good thing I didn't waste my single shot yesterday. Seriously though why rb a vigi claim.

Read the role again, town disloyal

[PenguinPower]

Who did you block?

Elsa

Well good thing I didn't waste my single shot yesterday. Seriously though why rb a vigi claim.

Why'd you holster?

Also, he says he's disloyal, so it wouldn't have stopped you if you were town (and he is town).

[Eragon]

Okay cool, I guess you're just going to ignore that then. Also PP, I expect better of you. You're not an idiot, stop voting like one

oh jesus save the AtE

How could you look at twilight and vote me?
Pedit, uh, should I claim?
Pedit 2 okay then

cryptic-ness gets you nowhere

The threat, my response, and Elsas response. Plus nom not getting it

cryptic-ness still gets you nowhere, andf actually hurts your case.

[themilkcartonkid]

I figured if you're bluffing (and I'm almost certain) I either blocked a kill or special role for mafia or did nothing.

[Eragon]

spicy

shake it to make it

[PenguinPower]

UNVOTE:

[Eragon]

Frankly, i dont trust that claim at all. Its a very safe claim, because "disloyal roleblocker" literally just means that he can only roleblock scum. In game, thats ridiculously overpowered with no risk. I feel it just has too much power, along with a LOYAL NEIGHBORIZER(Which is both a full cop and a neighborizer) and Elsa's claim, so Im probably gonna keep my Your in pretty good standing rn, your associations look pretty good and just dont lolhammer, and you should do fine tbhote on TMCK

[Elsa Jay]

I figured if you're bluffing (and I'm almost certain) I either blocked a kill or special role for mafia or did nothing.

Well I assumed claiming would make a scum roleblocker target me n1 to make me waste my shot, so obviously I didn't do that. And then you suddenly claim to RB me. Disloyal or otherwise, I have no reason to trust you.

Frankly the fact a LOYAL neighborizor flips and a Disloyal Roleblocker claims, honestly I should be conf town at this point.

Will take suggestions on who to shoot tonight.

Pedit: Yeah I'm getting the idea to shoot the "town" roleblocker who targetted the vigilante.

[themilkcartonkid]

Like I said, I'm odd night and I dont think I'm going to live through tonight so lynch me or dont, I'm good