Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[northsidegal]

Votecount 4.0

mcqueen(1)

~ Extrapolated Eagle⁽²⁾

Not Voting (13): Ankamius⁽⁰⁾, Liger_Zero⁽⁰⁾, RAS⁽⁰⁾, Reiuji Utsuho⁽⁰⁾, Dannflor⁽²⁾, MaxwellPuckett⁽⁰⁾, Jingle⁽⁰⁾, DrDolittle⁽⁰⁾, Vedith⁽⁰⁾, Prince of Renais⁽¹⁾, mcqueen⁽⁰⁾, Xtoxm⁽⁰⁾, Karmeleon⁽⁰⁾

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 4 deadline is in (expired on 2019-04-15 01:52:59)

[Dannflor]

The last several pages before the flip last night was not productive.

I think you and mcqueen are both town and I'm not sure a spar is going to help you guys sort each other based on how last night went.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

The last several pages before the flip last night was not productive.

I think you and mcqueen are both town and I'm not sure a spar is going to help you guys sort each other based on how last night went.

I disagree.
Sparring is usually very helpful for me.

I also agree that forcing me to hammer Buj was unproductive, but I guess he was going to die anyways.

Talk to me on why mcqueen is town.

[Prince of Renais]

so uh ankamius I'm really curious

why exactly is it that you think that your reads are better than mine?

[Dannflor]

Like, I think your scum reads on each other are emotional rather than logical and I don't think either side's emotions are faked or scum.

If you think it'll help you sort him I won't stop you, I just want to prevent 10+ pages of you guys flinging shit at each other.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Like, I think your scum reads on each other are emotional rather than logical and I don't think either side's emotions are faked or scum.

If you think it'll help you sort him I won't stop you, I just want to prevent 10+ pages of you guys flinging shit at each other.

I'm not looking to fling shit.

I don't maintain emotional reads greater than 24 hours at a maximum (usually no greater than 6 hours) if I find myself emotionally conflicted, I will usually go take a break shortly after. If a player continues to produce an emotional reaction in me and it becomes apparent that I'm put in a situation where I will have to play in an emotional state or not engage with the player whatsoever, I replace out. At least that's how I handled it the one time I was put in that situation.

My read on him is not emotional at all.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I'm not interested in why you're dismissive of my scumread, though, I'm fascinated by why you're townreading him.

[Prince of Renais]

no like actually you did your utmost to fuck over town in rapier upick mafia

mastina claiming you should have been part of a moment of brilliance nom is such a meme you prevented a brigitte wagon for almost the entirety of D1 and prevented the fractured lynch as well

you had dumbass fucking scumreads on every lynchbaity slot on the board

what part of that tells you that the correct move in this game is to come in and take a gigantic shit all over my xtoxm scumread and strongarm town onto one of my locktownreads?

[Prince of Renais]

i'm so, so sick of people with dogshit reads abusing the fact that their complete inability to play scum gets them locktowned to supercede my reads and lynch town

[Dannflor]

I'm not interested in why you're dismissive of my scumread, though, I'm fascinated by why you're townreading him.

I'm not dismissing your scum read. I was dismissing most of the interaction that happened before twilight because I saw it as TvT bitching. Elaborate on your scum read? Is it mostly that he's just within your PoE or do you have other specific reasons?

I think I've already explained my town read on him but I'll reiterate it in a minute. I just needed to know your scum read wasn't clouded by anything.

[Dannflor]

i'm so, so sick of people with dogshit reads abusing the fact that their complete inability to play scum gets them locktowned to supercede my reads and lynch town

I'm sorry we fucked up yesterday

but this isn't a productive line of dialogue and this game is still very much winnable

[Dannflor]

Im doing nothing mostly because im lazy, but im also not interested in getting involved to the level that we’ve had multiple arguments throughout the game now.

EE, this was the post that had me start town reading mcqueen. I understand both town and scum can be apathetic, but 9/10 scum is afraid to blatantly say shit like this.

[Prince of Renais]

wrong

[Prince of Renais]

not calling mcqueen scum

but that's not a read.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I'm not interested in why you're dismissive of my scumread, though, I'm fascinated by why you're townreading him.

I'm not dismissing your scum read. I was dismissing most of the interaction that happened before twilight because I saw it as TvT bitching. Elaborate on your scum read? Is it mostly that he's just within your PoE or do you have other specific reasons?

I think I've already explained my town read on him but I'll reiterate it in a minute. I just needed to know your scum read wasn't clouded by anything.

Sure.
The end of day push for Buj to be lynched when he saw me waiting it out to see if anyone would hammer and still pushing to see if I could get Liger or xtoxm lynched makes me think he's likely scum with one of them. The end of day push looked like very much an opportunistic push, and I think the only reason he's getting town read for it is because of how hard he pushed it. I expressed very townie reasons for waiting that wagon out, but he dismissed them as me trying to look town instead of finish the wagon.
Considering this is his ISO on Buj prior to voting him:

Spoiler: mcqueen's buj iso

VOTE: NerfedBuJ

Can we go back to this please

No

I really don't think Max would end up endgaming this as scum unless everybody gets trapped chasing their tails until scum can destroy all the strong town players, which is still a few days off

BuJ is that kind of player I suspect would get pushed back into the townblock if he doesn't get lynched sooner rather than later, and all it really takes is both Eagle and myself being ignited for all these associatives to be completely forgotten since I don't think anybody else in this playerlist would ever look back at that and how he continues throughout the game.

Liger is just a compromise because people don't really know what to do atm and are stuck in a solve.
Xtoxm is probably town and just feels like a wasted lynch.

I'd really rather we get BuJ today even if just to remove my own paranoia of him endgaming.

remind me why you’re stuck on BuJ

VOTE: Buj

bad vote

Okay, and you don't want to question me because....

I could, but like I said, my vote is on you purely because of Gamma's posts. There's not much I could ask you that would help me change my mind, unless you can explain why all of Gamma's post are practically empty. I really dislike how you jumped to conclusion when I specifically said my vote on you was purely because of Gamma's posts, but whatever.

this is a terrible post and should be pointed out as such. you’re giving Liger almost no chance.

It's really unfortunate how I'm giving him no chance. I'm being so stubborn on my vote on him, and I think I will never unvote him.

VOTE: BuJ

This is making it worse on yourself

WHens deadline i need time to meta check buj but honestly i think hes town.

and to whoever asked why i would meta check buj... hmm idk maybe since he was town in our last game together if his playstyle here is similar he might be town. EVEN if his scum play is different every game

love how ank randomly throws me in a scumpile too

Even when other wagons were available (considering Liger and xtoxm) the fact that he flips his read on Buj and also his read on me out of nowhere seems most likely to come from scum.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Im doing nothing mostly because im lazy, but im also not interested in getting involved to the level that we’ve had multiple arguments throughout the game now.

EE, this was the post that had me start town reading mcqueen. I understand both town and scum can be apathetic, but 9/10 scum is afraid to blatantly say shit like this.

This kind of boldness and honesty is the reason people townread me in 2059, or at least part of it, I think. It's one of the things that makes the game easy as scum - being honest on things like this so you can lie about your reads. This isn't a viable reason to be townreading him right now.

A valid reason to be scumreading him is the fact that he flipped from townreading me all game to scumreading me
and flipped from townreading Buj all game to pushing for his lynch.

[Dannflor]

The end of day push for Buj to be lynched when he saw me waiting it out to see if anyone would hammer and still pushing to see if I could get Liger or xtoxm lynched makes me think he's likely scum with one of them. The end of day push looked like very much an opportunistic push, and I think the only reason he's getting town read for it is because of how hard he pushed it. I expressed very townie reasons for waiting that wagon out, but he dismissed them as me trying to look town instead of finish the wagon.

I'll reread this. I was very burnt out at EoD and my eyes kinda glazed over for a lot of the fighting.

Basically, it's key whether or not his push on you is real. I thought it was vaguely weird when it happened because... Literally no one has tried to push you in a long time and you're lock town in a lot of people's eyes, so his confidence seemed misplaced. I attributed it to just high emotions at the end of a long day but that might have been hasty of me.

[Dannflor]

not calling mcqueen scum

but that's not a read.

Im doing nothing mostly because im lazy, but im also not interested in getting involved to the level that we’ve had multiple arguments throughout the game now.

EE, this was the post that had me start town reading mcqueen. I understand both town and scum can be apathetic, but 9/10 scum is afraid to blatantly say shit like this.

This kind of boldness and honesty is the reason people townread me in 2059, or at least part of it, I think. It's one of the things that makes the game easy as scum - being honest on things like this so you can lie about your reads. This isn't a viable reason to be townreading him right now.

A valid reason to be scumreading him is the fact that he flipped from townreading me all game to scumreading me
and flipped from townreading Buj all game to pushing for his lynch.

Fair.

I'll reread.

[Liger_Zero]

i'm so, so sick of people with dogshit reads abusing the fact that their complete inability to play scum gets them locktowned to supercede my reads and lynch town

Who pissed in your cheerios?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

considering his ISO, it looks real enough to me:

Spoiler:

Enter just vote buj

VOTE: EE

Eagle, you complained about fence sitting earlier and now you are fence sitting. End it or admit you are fine with fence sitting.

i have been fence sittign
i said that i've been fence sitting
now i'm happy lynching liger
i'll even lynch xtoxm
i'm even happy w/ a buj lynch
but i want someone else to hammer

Vote now and illl hammer

VOTE: EE

well now i can't hammer

lol i don't wanna vote him cuz i wanna see who's willing to lynch him

U just fucking said ur ok with his lynch but dont wanna hammer

Just fucking vote him mate holy shit

Enter’s actually prolonging this and the more he does the scummier he looks tbh

Well throw that out the window or ill push u. Dont think i forgot or was joking earlier when i said theres scum in (you, prince, alisae)

push me

i actually
don't
care

Was talking to rei but ok.

U act like ur not lynchable

everyone vote EE

Plz people

Pretty sure eagle is town right now mcqueen, even if he is being a bit of a twat. Don't lynch townies, sorry.

Hes not. He knows he’s being annoying by dragging this out and all he has to do is “say i wanna discuss before lynching” like he did with you to blow off suspicion. Except u can tell its not genuine

Hes scum

and this post:

Well throw that out the window or ill push u. Dont think i forgot or was joking earlier when i said theres scum in (you, prince, alisae)

should be noted that this was said to rei, not me, but let's consider that scum are already PoE'd - it's important for them to break up the townblock, the fact that mcqueen is now pushing for scum in the town block and it doesn't matter whether or not it's one of these three names or me should be ringing alarm bells pretty loudly
at this point in the game rei and prince are conftown, IMO, putting them in a lynch pool looks like scum trying to get paranoia points and maybe convince people to lynch outside the current PoE

[Dannflor]

should be noted that this was said to rei, not me, but let's consider that scum are already PoE'd - it's important for them to break up the townblock, the fact that mcqueen is now pushing for scum in the town block and it doesn't matter whether or not it's one of these three names or me should be ringing alarm bells pretty loudly
at this point in the game rei and prince are conftown, IMO, putting them in a lynch pool looks like scum trying to get paranoia points and maybe convince people to lynch outside the current PoE

I also just noticed he shaded Ankamius randomly here as well:

and to whoever asked why i would meta check buj... hmm idk maybe since he was town in our last game together if his playstyle here is similar he might be town. EVEN if his scum play is different every game

love how ank randomly throws me in a scumpile too

[Dannflor]

Who, despite yesterday, is still very town.

[Liger_Zero]

You guys are obsessed with your townblock.

[Prince of Renais]

VOTE: Mcqueen

don't forget the umm

[Prince of Renais]

So there’s scum in {PR, Alisae, and Rei} ? Scum team found already ?

dang got em VOTE: Rei.

Seriously tho im pretty sure at least one scum is in those three if not more.

Lemme throw it out there that while Eagles play is bad i think its bad town and anyone voting him is looking scummy rn. Yes you grapes

worst sequence of 3 posts in this game. calls everyone voting grapes scum then shades grapes for... voting eagle.