Open 753: Nomination Mafia [Game Over!]

[Flavor Leaf]

There’s always a choice to not bus.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Chennis/Alonzo - I’m not scum. I don’t really care too much about this game, I just saw it was Day 6, and my bud Xtoxm was the one replacing out, and I’ve been trying to get into open’s more. Take that for what you will. Both of you guys know me pretty well, I feel.

[Flavor Leaf]

Xtoxm replacing our screwed them, and now they’re upset.

[volxen]

Xtoxm replacing our screwed them, and now they’re upset.

He replaced out because he saw that he was losing badly.

[Flavor Leaf]

Xtoxm replacing our screwed them, and now they’re upset.

He replaced out because he saw that he was losing badly.

So you’re claiming he tactically replaced out?

I think you and Shoshin just painted the picture that he was scum and he got annoyed people saw him as scum. He does that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I obviously have conf bias, but yeah.

[volxen]

Xtoxm replacing our screwed them, and now they’re upset.

He replaced out because he saw that he was losing badly.

So you’re claiming he tactically replaced out?

I think you and Shoshin just painted the picture that he was scum and he got annoyed people saw him as scum. He does that.

I mean it's possible his replace out was not game related (e.g., he got busy IRL), sure. But he posted very little, got prodded soon after he replaced in, didn't respond to my case on scum!Auro (his predecessor) at all, and then replaced out. He didn't even remotely try to defend himself other than saying "I'm town". And he immediately called the scumteam as Alonzo/DoubtingThomas/Scumreading soon after he replaced in, which is suspect because Alonzo is more-or-less a consensus townread.

But Xtoxm's replace out is a minor point in the grand scheme of things. There is enough evidence in Auro's ISO and interactions to confirm that he is scum.

[volxen]

So I guess FL has settled on the strategy of painting the scumteam as Shoshin/Volxen/Scumreading and trying to hard pocket Alonzo and Chennisden.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, no, it’s not confirmed. I’m not scum.

You’ve been pushing NAI posts like they’re some confscum posts, at least what I checked in the later half of your ISO, and going “oh, yeah, that never comes from a town perspective.” Which is just flat out not true.

You push the scum weee forced to bus. Scum aren’t ever forced to bus.

I obviously can’t speak for my predeccessors, but Auro isn’t a weak player either. He was nominated for Rising Star, and you’re pushing a case of surface level scum play, which neither Auro or Xtoxm are. Xtoxm literally just won an epic scum game in a game that got nominated for game of the year.

They aren’t surface level players.

[Flavor Leaf]

So I guess FL has settled on the strategy of painting the scumteam as Shoshin/Volxen/Scumreading and trying to hard pocket Alonzo and Chennisden.

Pretty sure I clearly stated that DT/Shoshin, or DT/Volxen is an option.

You’re the lynch for the day, and I’ll lynch DT tomorrow. If you flipped green, then it’s Shoshin.

This is literally a non issue you are arguing.

[volxen]

Well, no, it’s not confirmed. I’m not scum.

You’ve been pushing NAI posts like they’re some confscum posts, at least what I checked in the later half of your ISO, and going “oh, yeah, that never comes from a town perspective.” Which is just flat out not true.

You push the scum weee forced to bus. Scum aren’t ever forced to bus.

I obviously can’t speak for my predeccessors, but Auro isn’t a weak player either. He was nominated for Rising Star, and you’re pushing a case of surface level scum play, which neither Auro or Xtoxm are. Xtoxm literally just won an epic scum game in a game that got nominated for game of the year.

They aren’t surface level players.

I didn't say Auro is weak, it took me a while to get to a 100% scumread on him after all. But that doesn't mean his scumplay is perfect and he is immune to getting caught. He had most of the game (Shoshin, Irrelephant, RadiantCowbells/Alonzo, Chennisden, me for a while, etc.) convinced that he was town until recently. He is excellent at scum, but not perfect.

I mean what exactly is the argument that you are making here? That I must be wrong in my conclusion that Auro is scum (despite all of the evidence), because Auro is so good at scum that he will never get caught, and the fact that I am convinced that he is scum means that he is town because I would never suspect him of being scum if he were actually scum? He's very good at scum, but he simply got caught this time. It's that simple.

[Flavor Leaf]

And if you’re town, it also doesn’t mean you’re correct with your analysis.

No, my argument here is you’re saying that the Auro slot is 100% scum, but I literally know that I am town, so i know that you are either a) town with an incorrect read or b) scum pushing a mislynch on my slot.

There aren’t any other options.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like if you’re scum, I completely get why you’re pushing me like this. You have to. You set it up earlier, and the replacement screwed you over.

Town replacing out sucks hard for scum.

[volxen]

@Shoshin, do you really want to give control of the lynch to FL? He knows he can't manipulate me and turn me against you. He's going to try his hardest to appeal to Alonzo and/or Chennisden in lylo if I am lynched today. That's why he has "settled" on them as "townreads", because he knows he isn't going to win over either you or me.

He's most likely going to start lylo by voting for DT and bussing him so he can get "towncred" before he takes you on in a 1vs1.

[Flavor Leaf]

I put forth a DT/Alonzo team earlier as the “easy scum team” how is that appealing to Alonzo.

I also have never misread Chennis.

[Flavor Leaf]

And your post to Shoshin screams you helping a potential partner.

There’s zero reason for me as scum to push you as the lynch today either, because a green flip just makes me look bad.

And if I were scum, keeping both Alonzo and Chennis alive is suboptimal because then I have to convince of a separate scum pairing rather than just relying on one of them, like Chennis.

I am objectively town here, and it sucks for the scum team who had my slot completely pegged as a mislynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

And if you’re scummwith DT, then you’re upset that i called out your bus plan to end game, and probably wasn’t expecting to get lynched today, and you’re appealing to a Shoshin. She’s super stubborn townie who will tunnel, so that’s not a bad play at all.

I’m not even really hard pushing you 2 as for sure the scum team, so your overdefensiveness is offputting.

[Shoshin]

So I guess FL has settled on the strategy of painting the scumteam as Shoshin/Volxen/Scumreading and trying to hard pocket Alonzo and Chennisden.

This was always the only available strategy to scum.

[Shoshin]

Yes, I know we're on the same page, Volx.

Why are you suddenly assuming we're not?

Same page as in your 100% convinced that both FL and DT are scum? OK then.

You didn't answer my question. What made you assume we're not on the same page with respect to FL/DT?

[Flavor Leaf]

Yes, I know we're on the same page, Volx.

Why are you suddenly assuming we're not?

Same page as in your 100% convinced that both FL and DT are scum? OK then.

You didn't answer my question. What made you assume we're not on the same page with respect to FL/DT?

Because he’s scum, and you’re probably town.

[Shoshin]

I already know you're scum, FL. You can stop talking to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I already know you're scum, FL. You can stop talking to me.

Then you’re just being bad town or you’re scum, because I’m town.

And me replying to you, isn’t necessarily talking to you. It’s me explaining my thoughts from my perspective, which is incredibly anti town to actively not have someone talk.

If you are town, that is just incredibly poor play.

[Shoshin]

I love hearing how I'm bad at the game by caught scum.

[volxen]

Yes, I know we're on the same page, Volx.

Why are you suddenly assuming we're not?

Same page as in your 100% convinced that both FL and DT are scum? OK then.

You didn't answer my question. What made you assume we're not on the same page with respect to FL/DT?

Because in some of your earlier posts, it came across like you were 100% on the Auro/Xtoxm/FL slot being scum, but weren't sure which of DT or I is the third scum:

I'm probably voting Volx today.

I don't intend on an RNG vote.

I'll be voting the person I think most likely to be scum.

So we lynch Volx today & DT tomorrow if Volx flips town?

[Shoshin]

I don't have the option to lynch DT or FL today, Volx.