Open 753: Nomination Mafia [Game Over!]

[Flavor Leaf]

I love hearing how I'm bad at the game by caught scum.

Caught implies lynched, not scum read. And I can’t be caught scum this game, I’m town who’s been pegged as the mislynch.

[volxen]

And your post to Shoshin screams you helping a potential partner.

There’s zero reason for me as scum to push you as the lynch today either, because a green flip just makes me look bad.

And if I were scum, keeping both Alonzo and Chennis alive is suboptimal because then I have to convince of a separate scum pairing rather than just relying on one of them, like Chennis.

I am objectively town here, and it sucks for the scum team who had my slot completely pegged as a mislynch.

How is pushing my lynch today suboptimal for scum!you? Both Shoshin and I are convinced that the scumteam is you and DT. To win this game you eventually have to reach a point where you can get a townie to vote for another townie in lylo. You aren't going to get Shoshin or I to do that, so you need to convince Alonzo and/or Chennisden to vote for another townie in lylo. Just going by the numbers, that's twice as likely to happen if both Alonzo and Chennisden are alive in lylo as opposed to if one of them gets lynched today. So clearly, it's bad for you if one of them gets lynched today.

You are already hard pushing the narrative that the remaining scum are two out of {Volxen, Shoshin, DoubtingThomas}. Me flipping green doesn't hinder your plan, because then you will just start pushing Shoshin/DoubtingThomas specifically as scum.

Here is what I think your plan is specifically, based on the current state of the game:

Day 6: You push for my lynch today, which you will probably succeed at because scum has a great deal of control over who gets lynched on even-numbered days.

Day 7: Shoshin will vote for you in the beginning of lylo, and you will vote for DT. You already know that Chennisden is more suspicious of DT than you, so you will work with that to delay your 1vs1 against Shoshin. There's a good chance that you will succeed in getting DT lynched instead of yourself.

Day 8: The nomination list, once again, will be all-town, meaning it will be {Shoshin, Alonzo, Chennisden}. One of Alonzo or Chennisden will be lynched, probably Chennisden.

Day 9: The final 3 will most likely be {Shoshin, Alonzo, FL}. At this point your 1vs1 against Shoshin is inevitable, and you will just appeal to Alonzo as hard as you can because that's all you can do.

[Flavor Leaf]

Alright, let’s get it going then, and see if that’s what happens.

I’m town, so I don’t actually have a say in the nominations and whatnot.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, if i were scum, and put myself not on the nominations, I’d be screwed in 3p lylo.

And in that scenario, I lynch shoshin 100% of the time as scum, and have to deal with alonzo/Chen, which also effectively endgames me.

That’s flawed logic by you, and simply surface level.

[volxen]

Also, if i were scum, and put myself not on the nominations, I’d be screwed in 3p lylo.

And in that scenario, I lynch shoshin 100% of the time as scum, and have to deal with alonzo/Chen, which also effectively endgames me.

That’s flawed logic by you, and simply surface level.

It's the best that you can do given the state of the game. You replaced into a scum slot in a game where scum is already losing badly. Do I think that you and DT are actually going to win? No, but you are going to try to as hard as you can, and that involves trying to get Alonzo and/or Chennisden to vote for another townie in lylo. I think you realize that bussing DT is an absolute necessity, because you stand no chance of winning a 1vs1 against Shoshin before DT goes down. I believe that you and DT have already started to discuss this, and he is aware of the fact that you will be bussing him. And you won't self-nominate on day 8 because it's too risky for you to do that.

Shoshin is going to vote for you, and you and DT are going to vote for each other, and you're going to shift attention away from Shoshin vs you towards you vs DT instead.

[chennisden]

Chenn, why'd you townread SR earlier?

He didn't have to defend himself as obvtown and didn't spew so badly until he basically was forced to by you.

Chenn, what are the chances you vote me over FL?

i would never, and you KNOW this.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol, okay. Essentially town loses then. I’m probably just gonna lurk out then.

[chennisden]

I put forth a DT/Alonzo team earlier as the “easy scum team” how is that appealing to Alonzo.

I also have never misread Chennis.

yeah but rn im painfully obviously town

[Flavor Leaf]

I put forth a DT/Alonzo team earlier as the “easy scum team” how is that appealing to Alonzo.

I also have never misread Chennis.

yeah but rn im painfully obviously town

Well, I’m not saying you’re scum here at all. I’m town, so we just lose, though.

[volxen]

@Alonzo, We really need to know where you stand on everything if you are going to lylo.

In a 1vs1 of Shoshin vs FL, who would you vote for?

In a 1vs1 of Shoshin vs DT, who would you vote for?

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t even really wanna play here tbh. I’m essentially just here to be the dedicated mislynch to not allow this game to be stallled out

[chennisden]

And your post to Shoshin screams you helping a potential partner.

There’s zero reason for me as scum to push you as the lynch today either, because a green flip just makes me look bad.

And if I were scum,

keeping both Alonzo and Chennis alive is suboptimal

because then I have to convince of a separate scum pairing rather than just relying on one of them, like Chennis.

I am objectively town here, and it sucks for the scum team who had my slot completely pegged as a mislynch.

This is untrue. Volxen/Shoshin are sure of you as scum

[chennisden]

I put forth a DT/Alonzo team earlier as the “easy scum team” how is that appealing to Alonzo.

I also have never misread Chennis.

yeah but rn im painfully obviously town

Well, I’m not saying you’re scum here at all. I’m town, so we just lose, though.

Yeah, what I'm saying is calling me town at this point means nothing

[Flavor Leaf]

And your post to Shoshin screams you helping a potential partner.

There’s zero reason for me as scum to push you as the lynch today either, because a green flip just makes me look bad.

And if I were scum,

keeping both Alonzo and Chennis alive is suboptimal

because then I have to convince of a separate scum pairing rather than just relying on one of them, like Chennis.

I am objectively town here, and it sucks for the scum team who had my slot completely pegged as a mislynch.

This is untrue. Volxen/Shoshin are sure of you as scum

Yeah, but at least one of them know that I’m actually town.

[volxen]

By the way FL, how are you so certain that both Chennisden and Alonzo are town if you haven't read through the game? I have them both as strong townreads, but I've actually read through the entire game.

[Flavor Leaf]

By the way FL, how are you so certain that both Chennisden and Alonzo are town if you haven't read through the game? I have them both as strong townreads, but I've actually read through the entire game.

I said Chennis, not Alonzo.

I don’t need to read the entire game considering I know I’m town, and the current game state is showing scum are pushing me for a mislynch.

[chennisden]

Only scum doesn't need to read the whole game because they know everyone's alignment

[chennisden]

I suggest you read Day 4 at the least

[volxen]

@FL, Your stance towards Shoshin and I doesn't make sense. Let's start with a basic premise:

Scum will not bus unless it's really necessary. Again, Scum will not bus unless it's really necessary.

Shoshin took control of the day five lynch by starting a 1vs1 against Scumreading. If you are going to argue that Shoshin is scum, then you need to establish why she could not win without bussing scumreading:

Any of {Scumreading, DoubtingThomas, Chennisden} would have been easy lynches to push on day five. All of these players were considered scummy prior to day five. Chennisden didn't start to become towny until later in day five. Of course, we now know that Scumreading was scum. So:

If the scumteam is Shoshin/Volxen/Scumreading, we could have easily mislynched Chennisden or DoubtingThomas. Auro was already onboard with lynching Chennisden at the beginning of day five, and Alonzo repeatedly wanted to lynch Clemency/Chennisden throughout the game.

If the scumteam is Shoshin/Alonzo/Scumreading, they could have easily mislynched Chennisden or DoubtingThomas.

If the scumteam is Shoshin/Chennisden/Scumreading, they could have easily mislynched DoubtingThomas.

If the scumteam is Shoshin/DoubtingThomas/Scumreading, they could have easily mislynched Chennisden.

If the scumteam is Shoshin/Auro/Scumreading, they could have easily mislynched Chennisden or DoubtingThomas (of course you aren't going to argue for this being the scumteam).

Chennisden would have been a

very

easy mislynch to push on day five. DoubtingThomas would have been too, but maybe a bit less so. The point being, Shoshin being scum makes no sense because she could have easily won on day five without bussing Scumreading.

Now let's look at scumteam combinations with me:

Volxen/DoubtingThomas/Scumreading -- This doesn't make sense, because I initially resisted Shoshin's 1vs1 against Scumreading and wanted to start a 1vs1 of my own against DoubtingThomas in lylo on day five. Why would I initially refuse to vote for one of my scumbuddies (Scumreading), only to try and start a separate 1vs1 against my other scumbuddy (DoubtingThomas)? Even if Scumreading hadn't been lynched on day five, the game would have inevitably gone back to the 1vs1 of Shoshin vs Scumreading. If I am scum, the only reason for me to try to start a 1vs1 against DT is to try and get him mislynched and deflect attention away from Scumreading. It makes no sense for scum!me to draw attention to scum!DT like that when SR was already in the hot seat and was most likely going down anyways.

Especially considering that I hammered Scumreading right after DoubtingThomas voted for Shoshin

. If I were scum, if anything it would be better for me to leave the thread for a while and see if DT could get anyone else to join him in voting for Shoshin, not immediately hammer Scumreading right after DT voted for Shoshin.

Volxen/Auro/Scumreading -- This could explain why I wanted to start a 1vs1 against DT (to get him mislynched), although it wouldn't make sense for me to hammer Scumreading just after DT (a townie) voted for Shoshin (a townie). If this were the case, I would wait for Auro and SR to get on so we could quickhammer Shoshin. Of course, you aren't going to argue that this is the scumteam anyways.

Volxen/Chennisden/Scumreading -- This could explain why I wanted to start a 1vs1 against DT (to get him mislynched), although it wouldn't make sense for me to hammer Scumreading just after DT (a townie) voted for Shoshin (a townie). If this were the case, I would wait for Chennisden and SR to get on so we could quickhammer Shoshin.

Volxen/Alonzo/Scumreading -- This could explain why I wanted to start a 1vs1 against DT (to get him mislynched), although it wouldn't make sense for me to hammer Scumreading just after DT (a townie) voted for Shoshin (a townie). If this were the case, I would wait for Alonzo and SR to get on so we could quickhammer Shoshin.

Volxen/Shoshin/Scumreading -- I already explained above why Shoshin individually doesn't make sense as scum, because regardless of whether she is partnered with me or not, she had at least one easy mislynch she could have pushed (Chennisden or DoubtingThomas) without needing to bus Scumreading.

So really neither of Shoshin or I make sense as scum, either individually or as partners, unless you want to make the argument that one of us or both of us deliberately engaged in sub-optimal scum play (bussing Scumreading when it was completely unnecessary to do so).

From your point of view, if you are town, Alonzo/DoubtingThomas/Scumreading should make a lot more sense to you as a scumteam than any combination of Shoshin/Volxen/Scumreading, Shoshin/DoubtingThomas/Scumreading, or Volxen/DoubtingThomas/Scumreading. It would at least explain why Alonzo was hesitant and didn’t vote in lylo.

[Alonzo]

get to this 2moro

[volxen]

As a reminder FL:

I don't even care about this fucking game. I'd rather lose to scum reading who actually plays like a human being than have a 0.01% chance of losing to scum!you.

You are a delusional liar.

VOTE: shoshin

VOTE: Scumreading

The first post is where DT voted for Shoshin in lylo, and the second post is where I voted for and hammered SR in lylo. I literally hammered SR

one minute

after DT voted for Shoshin.

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