Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Prince of Renais]

play to give yourself the highest chance of winning the game not to fulfill arbitrary criteria

[Liger_Zero]

Who wants to read my story about the king and his advisors discussing the war?

I have a 5 part series planned out right now. Should be an entertaining read.

I'll subscribe since I'm a character

Part 1 has little to do with you. You are out of focus because you are in another part of the kingdom fighting the war. Part 2 focuses more on you.

Part 1 features: Ankamius, Prince, Eagle and Reiuj.

[Ankamius]

fine

if you can convince me of your scumreads then I'll follow them

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Vedith is not likely to be scum
mcqueen/Xtoxm are the two slots in contention that I am not convinced are likely scum
Maxwell I still think should have another day to really show his alignment before deciding for certain
Dann is a giant question mark
I keep forgetting DDL is even in the game at all
Liger I'm not really townreading but I'm not scumreading either?

I'm starting to realize that my scumreads are a lot more muddled than I thought they were

Ok let's work through this
I agree vedith is likely to not be scum
Maxwell has done town things
DDL isn't playing to a scum agenda, he's barely even trying to survive
So let's take them out of the list

that leaves liger/mcqueen/xtoxm/dann

I'll tell you dann belongs in a slot w/ maxwell if you can't read him

Which gives you the same PoE solve as I have right now

[Extrapolated Eagle]

also
"not convinced are scum"
is bad reasoning to be town reading someone
"not convinced are scum"
is the reason succinct lasted as long as they did in 2059
and lovebird lasted as long as they did in rapier upick

[Extrapolated Eagle]

If you don't have reasons to be townreading them, sheep me on my scum reads

[Extrapolated Eagle]

My record isn't too shabby, tbh, especially in the last couple games, and the fact that my PoE is looking prety fucking similar to PoR's should help put things into perspective

[Ankamius]

succinct lasted as long as they did in anuket specifically because I attributed all their scummy shit to their alt instead of them being scum

[Liger_Zero]

You will never become the king, eagle.

You are just an adviser to the king. Know your role in the story.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

i actually think i'm 3/3 on my individual solves recently, but I'll have to check that

[Extrapolated Eagle]

succinct lasted as long as they did in anuket specifically because I attributed all their scummy shit to their alt instead of them being scum

I imagine you didn't keep reading after you left the game?

[Ankamius]

I did

[Extrapolated Eagle]

i actually think i'm 3/3 on my individual solves recently, but I'll have to check that

considering i've mostly played scum since marathon weekend, this isn't huge
but i'm pretty sure all four of my "this is solve" reads since marathon weekend as town have been 100%

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I did

you think succinct lasted afterwards because of towniness you attributed to them prior?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

i actually think i'm 3/3 on my individual solves recently, but I'll have to check that

considering i've mostly played scum since marathon weekend, this isn't huge
but i'm pretty sure all four of my "this is solve" reads since marathon weekend as town have been 100%

I said 3/3 cuz I'm not counting my town read

[Ankamius]

no

succinct lasted as long as they did because town never got together properly all game and instead were igniting TvT fights all game

I'm saying that succinct would never have lasted to my replace out if I had properly read them as scum because I was the only one that could reasonably have been expected to, there were several tells there that I picked up on and if I had properly had them as a scumread alongside flubber, I think a lot of people would have had a lot less apprehension towards my solve despite it being a gamewinning one

[Ankamius]

funny thing, I never actually townread succinct either which should've been a red flag in of itself

[Extrapolated Eagle]

no

succinct lasted as long as they did because town never got together properly all game and instead were igniting TvT fights all game

I'm saying that succinct would never have lasted to my replace out if I had properly read them as scum because I was the only one that could reasonably have been expected to, there were several tells there that I picked up on and if I had properly had them as a scumread alongside flubber, I think a lot of people would have had a lot less apprehension towards my solve despite it being a gamewinning one

Alright
But the purpose of the discussion isn't to say "you're bad at reading succinct"
The purpose of this discussion is to say "not seeing a reason to scumread them" isn't an argument for towniness, because it was used on multiple occasions to defend scum

[Extrapolated Eagle]

funny thing, I never actually townread succinct either which should've been a red flag in of itself

....

funny thing, this is my point

[Ankamius]

funny thing, I never actually townread succinct either which should've been a red flag in of itself

....

funny thing, this is my point

that doesn't apply to here though

succinct is a player I have a lot of experience with and by all rights should be able to soulread just by how they interact with the game

who here do I have the experience or personality knowledge to be able to make that same call accurately?

even you don't count because I have an actually pretty average to bad record in reading you so far, I'd need a good chunk more experience to reach that point with you

[Prince of Renais]

i'll give you a hint ank

he's town

[Prince of Renais]

you're welcome

[Prince of Renais]

god i am so fucking good at this game

[Ankamius]

and yeah, lack of a scumread doesn't make someone town, but if they're a slot I don't see ever not being lynched eventually, it makes me wary of resolving that slot immediately unless there are other reasons to

I simply do not play the way most people do, enter

I specifically play so that all the impact I need to have is frontloaded, that means resolving the more difficult sorts early and leaving the easy sorts for later when I'm not going to be around to resolve it

[Ankamius]

well yeah eagle is locktown, I literally said that like 2 pages ago