Mini Normal 2068: Cat Art! [Game Over]

[Creature]

well, wouldn't do Sash today.

Why are you quoting my wife?

What?

[DrDolittle]

ok im here and I've caught up

[DrDolittle]

all insomnia has been doing today is put out an omgus push on me. its a scum push

[DrDolittle]

creature wanna tell me why you're scumreading me

[DrDolittle]

my strongest town-slot rn is Anka/MJL and RC

[DrDolittle]

I think TTTT is town. I played masons with him in one of the games, and this is similar to town TTTT, although slightly more lurky. But tbh its the weekend so lets give it a couple more days yeah?

[wilky]

So far my townblock for now (in no specific order): RC, Ank, wilky, insomnia and me.

I can try convince you on Sheldon and shii to take this to 7 but trust me on Sasha or Carmen d1.

So where has Carmen gone and why has DDL gone from a town lean to your biggest scum read?

I initially thought she was scum the way she was tunneling me early. Then I looked at her posts from a different angle and gave her the benefit of the doubt.When I read DrD iso I had a bad feeling about it. I guess my reads change a bit with my moods...

Basically the way I see it is that you've gone from scum!Carmen to town!Carmen (possibly back to scum!Carmen?) And now to null!Carmen. You're now also saying that after your flip we should consider scum!Carmen so that doesn't seem like a null read to you just now.


@Sasha what do you think about the fact Carmen holds you in the same standing at me yet has cased me and pushed me but not done the same to you?

[wilky]

I think TTTT is town. I played masons with him in one of the games, and this is similar to town TTTT, although slightly more lurky. But tbh its the weekend so lets give it a couple more days yeah?

It's not been the weekend for the whole of the day though? What are your thoughts on Sasha and Carmen?

[insomnia]

TTTT and DDL

Gladiate you two.

Just vote ddl oof

[DrDolittle]

It's not been the weekend for the whole of the day though? What are your thoughts on Sasha and Carmen?

I'm actually reading that right now. I like the case you outlined in 1347, 1364 and 1366
but I need to think a little bit more about the context. Let me get back to you.

I don't like Sash's jump on the "wagon" on me, and then the hop off. It feels very feigned. My read on Carmen (absent of your post) is that she's leantown. A lot because of conf-bias, and there's no reason why scum!her would be defending me, when I'm an easy lynch target right now

[wilky]

Spoiler:

I'm a little bit concerned about 364 - It's unclear where the uturn on BEF came from.
I am also concerned about the bit where Insomnia said something like if BEF flips town I'll lynch Sash - as in Scum!insomnia knows BEF is town but is lining up a mislynch path so he has an 'out' if that makes sense?

I told you. Everyone was saying my push was garbage, nobody backed me up on it.

If townies don’t see what I see then me tunneling BEF is unproductive and it lets scum slip under the radar. It would be an anti-town thing for me to keep tunneling BEF because I am the most active person in here. Imagine having a 1v1 with someone that has 40 posts per day on average. People can grab some popcorn and scum can chill in PT scum hunting prs

see I don't like this either- you said in 364 you think BEF is town

Now 562 seems to have gone back to you are scum reading BEF and that you just don't think you can talk town into the lynch, which does happen but you specific stance is so unclear.

Do you want to vote insomnia with me?

I think it would be good if he specifically stated if he is scum reading or town reading bef right now before i decide

Ofc I still scum read BEF but I said I town read him because me pushing someone that is being town read by everyone doesn’t achieve anything. My tunnel would go nowhere.

I am not sure if this is a phrasing issue that is my issue in terms of comprehension or if you are doing something obscure intentionally here.

I think where you are at is that you scum read BEF, you always scum read BEF but you don't want to ruin the gamestate given that no one supports your assertion

Where the confusion is introduced is what comes over as back tracking when you say you then town read based on everyone elses read - i think that is infact false- you just accept that you can't convince town is the lynch today but you personally don't town read him

Yeye call me out for hypocrisy push an easy mislynch

youll note I'm trying to clarify before considering voting but ok jump to wrong conclusions all you want

Insomnia has said he town read BEF when he actually scum read him but has been quite open about the reasons for that.
He also put forward a day 1 mass claim.

I think insomnia just presses 'submit' before fully engaging his brain.

That mass claim thing is suicide.

Who believes the crow is a doctor?

mass claiming is suicide but doctor speculation is probably not helpful either

quick peek @ MJL's history she hasn't played in any games with factional daytalk yet that I can see. after my 514 I was waiting for her to ask about it similar to how she asked about insomnia being unlynchable.

since the ruleset here is pretty curt about it and doesn't explain the meaning it makes me feel that she could be scum that's already aware of it in the first place and glanced over it. Ya'll know her better lmk if you think it's indicative.

I didn’t bother to meta dive but MJL also referenced that there would be 3v10 scum here

Whilst I accept that is the given convention I didn’t think it was openly stated anywhere (I might have missed it)

Interesting that someone else spotted something similar

If Ankamius and RC could arrive at some kind of point or agreement on what they think then i think the game will move on

For Creature:
These quotes from Sheldon to me show he is genuinely trying to sort slots out. Especially now my read has changed on insomnia scum!Sheldon would have left me and Insomnia to a T/T 1v1 for as long as possible but he tried to diffuse the situation (which he also tried to do with RC vs Ank).

If I'm wrong on Sheldon and he's scum then I'm also wrong on insomnia.

[insomnia]

I think TTTT is town. I played masons with him in one of the games, and this is similar to town TTTT, although slightly more lurky. But tbh its the weekend so lets give it a couple more days yeah?

No

[wilky]

It's not been the weekend for the whole of the day though? What are your thoughts on Sasha and Carmen?

I'm actually reading that right now. I like the case you outlined in 1347, 1364 and 1366
but I need to think a little bit more about the context. Let me get back to you.

I don't like Sash's jump on the "wagon" on me, and then the hop off. It feels very feigned. My read on Carmen (absent of your post) is that she's leantown. A lot because of conf-bias, and there's no reason why scum!her would be defending me, when I'm an easy lynch target right now

Plenty equity for a scum off the wagon and defending. Carmen collects town cred going into d2 by doing so.

[wilky]

I think TTTT is town. I played masons with him in one of the games, and this is similar to town TTTT, although slightly more lurky. But tbh its the weekend so lets give it a couple more days yeah?

No

Can we please do Carmen or Sasha today?

[DrDolittle]

insomnia you're really frustrating me.

i'm trying to sort you and give you the benefit of the doubt like Anka suggested, but your insistence on not doing anything and just tunneling makes this really fucking hard. plus you said give you space and you can come up with reads. and now you have space but your reads still have no substance behind it.

I'm having a really hard time believing your push is genuine, rather than an empty handed scum push - because it's super easy to look committed and doing stuff as town that way.

[wilky]

It's not been the weekend for the whole of the day though? What are your thoughts on Sasha and Carmen?

I'm actually reading that right now. I like the case you outlined in 1347, 1364 and 1366
but I need to think a little bit more about the context. Let me get back to you.

I don't like Sash's jump on the "wagon" on me, and then the hop off. It feels very feigned. My read on Carmen (absent of your post) is that she's leantown. A lot because of conf-bias, and there's no reason why scum!her would be defending me, when I'm an easy lynch target right now

Plenty equity for a scum off the wagon and defending. Carmen collects town cred going into d2 by doing so.

This is of course assuming town!ddl

[wilky]

insomnia you're really frustrating me.

i'm trying to sort you and give you the benefit of the doubt like Anka suggested, but your insistence on not doing anything and just tunneling makes this really fucking hard. plus you said give you space and you can come up with reads. and now you have space but your reads still have no substance behind it.

I'm having a really hard time believing your push is genuine, rather than an empty handed scum push - because it's super easy to look committed and doing stuff as town that way.

Ok, I used insomnia meta against them earlier so only right i do the same when the opposite is true. I've seen Insomnia in a tunnel as town

[DrDolittle]

towncred conditional on me flipping.

[wilky]

towncred conditional on me flipping.

Yes but they've got to lay the works before flip they can't wait until lynch and then go "oh btw this is town guys"

It's also conditional on you flipping green.

[insomnia]

insomnia you're really frustrating me.

i'm trying to sort you and give you the benefit of the doubt like Anka suggested, but your insistence on not doing anything and just tunneling makes this really fucking hard. plus you said give you space and you can come up with reads. and now you have space but your reads still have no substance behind it.

I'm having a really hard time believing your push is genuine, rather than an empty handed scum push - because it's super easy to look committed and doing stuff as town that way.

The only thing you scum read me for is “I don’t believe in my push”

You’re saying it once again

You haven’t done anything this game aside from tunneling me and posting fluff

Let me know how it feels like to be on the receiveing end of a tunnel

[DrDolittle]

ok. so your case on carmen boils down to: carmen votes wilky when there are votes on wilky's wagon, and otherwise parks vote on sasha.

i can see why you from conf-town bias sees carmen as scum. but an equally plausible case is that carmen just scum reads both of you and puts votes where wagon is big?

I don't see scum!carmen from your case.

[insomnia]

I'm leaning scum there atm.

wilky lets talk. i want to town up 4 u so your energy can be better directed

This didn’t happen

Going to try to formulate a better read on Sashaddin and Shiid tonight. Be in anticipation!

This didn’t happen

All your ISO is “insomnia is scum”, where’s that sorting thing you were talking about?

[DrDolittle]

i think you're faking your push to look town, insomnia. On BEF and on me

[insomnia]

If you disregard my slot, all you’ve done this game is fence-sitting

Your vote is still on me yet you aren’t even talking with me

You are the only vote on me

[insomnia]

“Fake a push to look town” that’s a new one