Fire on the Mountain [Over]

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for real this time

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Also you don't know why lamist make someone scum either like wtf lol

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Naw, fuck it.
Let's do this.
I was gonna say this to just mcqueen after the game, but I'm all fired up now and I can't sleep because of it so I'm getting this off my chest.

There are two parts to finding scum - 1. Your reads, and everyone else's read on you
I don't give a shit if your reads are fuck all and make no sense whatsoever - there are plenty of people this game who have gone "hmm, these other players are putting in the time and effort, i'll just sheep them and they will carry me to victory"
but you forget the second part
You see, I'm not the only person who's been kinda fucking lost the past couple days trying to figure out what's going on. And considering the respect I ahve for RC/jingle/dannflor/ank/rei, you'd think we'd have SOMETHING figured out by now
but you can't just go into a game w/ rc and trust that he will know every scum from the get go
if everyone else plays like scum the whole game, he's going to be wrong
which brings me here:
If you're going to expect everyone else to carry you through this game while all you do is dodge prods, you'd better be able to at least make yourself look towny enough to get out of the PoE. Because that's what's killing town
part of it is that i could be better at reading people
part of it is that rc could be better at reading people
part of it is that we could be more communicative and put more in
but do you see the fucking disparity here?
you're expecting the people who are already working p hard to put more into the game
and you're confused why we are wrong when half the player base posts maybe enough to dodge a prod
so quit expecting people to carry you through a game and then turning on them when you put close to nothing in yourself

why the fuck do you even play mafia?
seriously
why?
what's the point?

tl:dr I'm not fucking perfect you can't expect perfect play from me if you put in bare minimum effort don't be confused if I think you're doing something for a different reason than you actually are
Just put the fucking effort in to prove you're town

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so quit pushing me as scum for your bottom of the barrel play
quit pushing rc as scum for your bottom of the barrel play
you cannot blame other players for your inability to fucking try

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i was hoping i'd feel better after that and i don't


:/

i should have just gone and stayed gone
srry ank

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Whatever. McQueen was my fault

[Xtoxm]

you and your townblock have been acting like you have the game solved since like, day 2
and all youve been arguing about is which order to lynch us in
if my mislynch is definitely going to occur, i dont actually care whether its d2, d5 or lylo
if youre going to play games like that dont be surprised when all the town in your poe dont give a shit about the game

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The poe is completely different right now than it was on day 2 and it changes drastically between players and between days

This just proves you haven't read anything about the game

And if you're in the PoE get out of it
Quit with your defeatist attitude it's bullshit you have at least some semblance of control over whether or not you're in the poe

[RadiantCowbells]

McQueen had awful associatives and even though it was coincidence it was a lynch that had to happen

[Jingle]

X. Follow this link. Read the posts that happened at the same time as this game. Tell me I'm wrong on Enter.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=79217

[Xtoxm]

i thought he was out of his scumrange in anuket
i was wrong
maybe he is this time
but im not going to give him a pass just because he's put 900 posts on the board
he deserves blowback for being on 3 mislynches in a row, and projected overconfidence in his mcq/liger solve
your link tells me he doesnt enjoy playing scum, and has a low opinion of his own scum game. my experiences with him tell me he is good at playing it in spite of this.

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i thought he was out of his scumrange in anuket
i was wrong
maybe he is this time
but im not going to give him a pass just because he's put 900 posts on the board
he deserves blowback for being on 3 mislynches in a row, and projected overconfidence in his mcq/liger solve
your link tells me he doesnt enjoy playing scum, and has a low opinion of his own scum game. my experiences with him tell me he is good at playing it in spite of this.

My play in amulet wasn't good. People were just distracted.

I also didn't lead the push on anyone's lynch because that's a skill I don't have.

If you're trying to give me credit for three mislynches in a row, I want you to justify the argument that I deserve credit for that. You haven't read anything. You're not playing mafia. You're paranoia reading me and I'm telling you not to do it, because it's detrimental to town and it's stupid. You look like an idiot when you do it. If you said to me that you were scum reading me and then used any sort of proof that you had read the game, or even used reasons against me that showed you were actually in the slightest bit aware of my play this game I wouldn't be pissed. But you're not. You don't have reasons for your scumread of me past the fact that we've lynched town three times in a row in a mountainous game, and I wasn't even the figurehead for all of those lynches. It is this kind of braindead play that shows you refuse to even try in the slightest that I want to start policy lynching.

Tell me why I would flip on Liger like I did
Tell me why I would reread the thread and push both Buj and Dannflor for reads on each of them individually
Tell me why I would pushback on McQueen when he was trying to get me to lynch buj
Tell me why I would lynch buj
Tell me why I wouldn't be pushing for the town block to break up
Tell me why I didn't push for shoshins lynch on day 1
Tell me why I felt capable of making a decision on mcqueen/liger and pushed that
Tell me why I've interacted with and pushed every player in this game and have been actively sorting

Why am I making life so fucking hell for myself as scum? What of these attitudes did you see in anuket also? Was it the fact that I sheeped urap on NMSA no questions asked? Or was it the fact that at no point in the game did I have a solid reads list with good reasons for it? Wait, I know, it's the fact that when the NMSA wagon dropped, I stopped posting for two days because I had no clue how to make a push as scum and I didn't know how to get off the NMSA wagon without making it blatantly obvious I had no clue why I was on it in the first place? Or are you spotting similarities between how little I lead town and took responsibility for lynches in Anuket and I refuse to do the same here?

Shut up. You're spewing stupidity and it's making you look bad.

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Oh also explain why I lynched buj this game (a lynch I didn't believe in) and how that's similar to the way I hard defended Brigitte and refused to lynch her at all (the lynch I didn't believe in).

And then tell me why we lynched grapes this game and how on earth that spews associatives with me

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There are basically no similarities between Anuket and this game, but you don't want to read, you don't want to play, you just wanna show up and be right.

Well if you want credit for your reads come and take it. Case me. I'd really like to see your case. I've played sacrificially this game and made a bunch of plays that look relatively surface level scummy, I think, because it pushed town forward in a positive way, but I expect you to not even catch those posts because I don't think you've actually read any of my posts.

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You refuse to case me because there is no substance to a case against me past the fact that you want town points for being the guy who called out somebody for being scum

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Let's make this very clear. I'm not mad that you think I'm scum.


I'm mad that you've put nothing into the game and have no basis behind calling me scum.

[Liger_Zero]

Well that was interesting to read

[Reiuji Utsuho]

McQueen had awful associatives and even though it was coincidence it was a lynch that had to happen

So let me be clear here.
Did you actually thought mcqueen was scum?
Y/N

[RadiantCowbells]

i thought they were more likely scum than anyone else in the game.

[Reiuji Utsuho]

Ok.

Because there was going to be a storm if otherwise.

[Reiuji Utsuho]

I feel kinda lost now to be honest.
Lynching my townreads for past two days didn't help either.

[RadiantCowbells]

buj lynch killed my motivation

who do you scumread now

[Reiuji Utsuho]

My list basically didn't change since like Day 3.

[RadiantCowbells]

what is that list

[Reiuji Utsuho]

1. Prince of Renais
   
2. Extrapolated Eagle
   
3. Karmeleon
   
4. RAS
   
5. Ankamius
   
6. Jingle
   
7. mcqueen
   
8. Dannflor
   
9. Liger_Zero
   
10. Vedith

is what I have for my townlist.

That leaves DDL/xtoxm/Max but I don't kinda feel content with this PoE list? I don't feel like there would be 2 scums in this PoE list. So I think I'm wrong in one of my townlist.
From what I'm looking, basically everyone in the lower list of my reads have shown the "I don't care lynch me" attitude except for DDL. So clearly this is not the towntell in this game.
(Or maybe because only DDL showed the 'hey I don't want to be lynched,' that kinda makes him townish? I have no clue!)

I think Vedith replacing out shenanigan makes him kinda town (although it is unorthodox to read him with that).
Liger_Zero for me is "why would scum play like him" read. Yeah, yeah, it is a bad to assume that people play decently, but still.
Dann looks obvtown to me and he have been poked and jabbed by many people so maybe at least one scum joined the jabbing.

mcqueen I think it's just more 'special' than others.

It was this, basically.

I think if I'm wrong on Max it's or.