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[NotAnAxehole]

I included two null reads because I don't actually remember a single one of their posts. Oops.

[Inferno390]

I’m sorry.
Did you just do a vote analysis in Day 1 woth literally no information to go off of other than your bias?
I think that’s called BS. Since you really can’t say with any certainty that ANY of those players are the alignment that you say they are.

[NotAnAxehole]

Skellen is town

[Inferno390]

And how, exactly are you so sure of that?

[NotAnAxehole]

So it's fairly straightforward.

RC knows that by being assertive so early on a target and pushing this hard for a lynch will automatically come back to bite if the flip is town. I am aware of this too (and probably shielding RC from it a bit at the same time) - There is little to no incentive for either of us to do this as town, especially given none of you have meta on me.

JPG is just correct in his analysis, if in some world you and ErzaScarlet both flip town, I will re-evaluate his need to respond to what seems to be caught scum. I don't know him, so he gets the benefit of the doubt.

3/13 town... Let's keep going.

Skellen is very straightforward, just getting real Towny vibes from him all around. Scum hunting, good job.

Davesaz and ruirui have no business pushing JPG right now as scum, it's clear we aren't lynching him and it feels like a town counter-wagon. Ruirui to be re-evaluated if it looks like we're going towards LyLo... But eh...

So that's 6/13

Egix96 seems like confused Towny, I understand the vote on me. The timing isn't convenient, so I don't think scum make that leap.

Vorkuta doesn't make sense as scum for me either due to his day 1 posting and voting.

Day 1 PoE of 5:
Themilkcartonkid is just the least of my town reads, probably doesn't deserve to be on this list, but I seem to remember there was one post I was like hmmm... Idk, otherwise nothing memorable, which is probably why he's here.

Has my null read even posted? I'm not even going to go back to look up his id.

Tchill13 is the weakest of my scum reads, but still... He seems to be looking one way, voting another... And generally overly justifying things that don't actually matter.

ErzaScarlet was captured perfectly in two posts by JPG, go look for it. I don't care to.

Inferno is the embodiment of Pikachu, he's loud and fluffy and just makes noises that nobody can understand. You think it's cute, but then when you have to listen to it all day, you realize it's just a rat that is trying to fuck shit up in your house. Regardless of flip, this is a good lynch for town at LyLo -3

[Inferno390]

So the reason you and RC are Town is because you would never do what you are doing as scum, and I’m sum because I’m a rat.

So basically AtE and mudslinging.

You are piggybacking on other’s reads, you are not giving any reads of your own, you have not contributed to gamestate, you are not actively scumhunting, and you are mudslinging at me because you literally have no basis for calling me scum and we all know it. This is all behavior that does not come from town.
And you can call “never do this as scum” all you want, but while that may be somewhat true for RC (though Dave has already said that meta shows otherwise), it is NOT true for you, because you are just piggybacking RC. You have every opportunity D2 to turn around and say “Oh, I was just following RC” when I flip town, because you are literally doing nothing other than that.

[NotAnAxehole]

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   1. Skellen
      
      
   2. Egix96
      
      
   3. RadiantCowbells
      
      
   4. NotAnAxehole
      
      
   5. Inferno390
      
   6. chennisden
      
      
   7. RuiRui
      
   8. davesaz
      
      
   9. Vorkuta
      
      
   10. Tchill13
       
       
   11. John Pierce Gantt
       
       
   12. themilkcartonkid
       
       
   13. ErzaScarlet

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It's called PoE.

Once you've been lynched, I might humor the remainder of town with an actual read. Until then, the PoE and optimal lynch is clear.

[NotAnAxehole]

My bad, accidentally did a Q+ on the mod

[chennisden]

Skellen is town

Try reading Skellen's last scum game (the Newbie game); she obvtownned a lot.

[chennisden]

Ruirui is playing towny right now.

[chennisden]

Inferno not the greatest look.

[John Pierce Gantt]

You know it's bad when even his kin ditches him.

[John Pierce Gantt]

Anyway

Davesaz and ruirui have no business pushing JPG right now as scum

Well I believe dave is voting me because he abhors Gantt chart.

[NotAnAxehole]

Skellen is town

Try reading Skellen's last scum game (the Newbie game); she obvtownned a lot.

Sooooo what you're saying is that he played well in a game so we should WIFOM him to maybe scum...

I'm going to say, that's ridiculous, just play better and be more townie and pro-town than scum is. If scum play better than town, scum deserves to win, let's focus on scum we do catch and not scum that might be out playing. That is, until someone has a legitimate reason for reading them as scum, in which case they are no longer out playing us..

[Inferno390]

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   1. Skellen
      
      
   2. Egix96
      
      
   3. RadiantCowbells
      
      
   4. NotAnAxehole
      
      
   5. Inferno390
      
   6. chennisden
      
      
   7. RuiRui
      
   8. davesaz
      
      
   9. Vorkuta
      
      
   10. Tchill13
       
       
   11. John Pierce Gantt
       
       
   12. themilkcartonkid
       
       
   13. ErzaScarlet

*=prod

It's called PoE.

Once you've been lynched, I might humor the remainder of town with an actual read. Until then, the PoE and optimal lynch is clear.

@Axe, your PoE is coming from a already biased viewpoint. You’re clearly fitting the evidence (or lack of any) to validate what you want to believe.

So far the reasons to justify my wagon are Appeal to Emotion, 7for7, Argument from Repetition, and Confirmation Bias. All fallacies and all making wagon nonsense. Notice how I haven’t ran Gantt’s thoughts over yet. It might have something to do with the fact that they’re real thoughts.

[Skellen]

@Axe:
I disagree about the scumread on Tchill as I think most of his posts are really reasonable and cooperative (in a townish manner). I could subscribe almost most of his posts in his exchange with RC as they mirror my problem with the Inferno wagon, so maybe that's just my bias. But I can see where you are coming from here given the possible associations of scum!Inferno. What interests me more on your scumread is that you already had on him in #84 (if you meant Tchill back then). I was rereading all of Tchill's posts until then but nothing really pinged me there besides maybe the talk about the weird RVS self-vote scum gambit (which however originally came from dave). What made you vary of him in the early pages?

Regarding Inferno, what is it that nails him down as

confirmed

scum? For me that's a heavy term as it equals an investigative guilty check (imo), which is exactly why I think it should be backed up. Originally I thought Inferno's reaction to the wagon on him where it looked like he was caught red-handed was the the argument as RC underlined it in #81, but he said it was even before that. I really would appreciate a quote of said post with 1-2 lines to dumb it down. Not even asking for a PhD thesis here.

[Skellen]

I'll sheep RC,

partially because if he's scum I can't win

, and partially because I didn't like his miller questions.

VOTE: Inferno

While rereading that caught my eye (I bolded it). I have no problem with your reasoning in the latter part of the past but what is up with the former part? You would even sheep him if he is scum and throw the towel or how is it meant? (I think you don't even think RC is scum, so why even saying this?)

[Skellen]

I think it's too early in the game to lock someone in as mafia and not want to talk to them.

It's not really my impression that JP is ignoring what Inferno is responding to his accusations, it's the opposite he commits himself to respond to all points, which is imo a townie approach of casing a suspect. At least he is imo the best looking on the Inferno wagon. Admittedly it confuses me a bit that he said there is no point in having an argument with Inferno, when he is actually having an argument with Inferno, but maybe that was just wording (or wording fail on my side). It's a contrast in comparision to Axe in #91 where he blatantly refused to further engage with Inferno.

[Skellen]

Fun meta fact: scum!RC is quite willing to stab his partner in the back, side, front, whatever to look town on the flip.
I know this first hand, having been the stuckee on at least one occasion.

I have also seen town!RC do exactly this. At least once the target was scum, and town at least once. Have not kept count so no idea what his actual record is.

I appreciate the intention with this meta hint, although I have to admit to have a rather negative bias towards meta arguments. But I am not really a fan of this part of this post. Basically it's a subtle way of clouding any associations on RC through a possible Inferno flip. I am also not really sold on bussing on RC's part as there was no reason that early, particularly considering how many were willing to sheep him like that.

Getting down to the specifics, I think it's more likely Inferno is scum than town. Nowhere near as confident as RC apparently is. I'm not much of a tonal reader aside from certain meta circumstances, but the tone on this one is pretty loud.

I like this part more. I am rather deaf if it comes to tonal reads though, so what in Inferno's "tone" indicates scum for you?

[Skellen]

Skellen is very straightforward, just getting real Towny vibes from

him

all around.

Her. It's she!

[John Pierce Gantt]

@Axe, your PoE is coming from a already biased viewpoint. You’re clearly fitting the evidence (or lack of any) to validate what you want to believe.

You are trying to discredit Axe's opinions by calling his method faulty via bias, but calling him biased like that means you are viewing him as town though.
Mafias do not bias themselves; they lie and fabricate.

[John Pierce Gantt]

Admittedly it confuses me a bit that he said there is no point in having an argument with Inferno, when he is actually having an argument with Inferno, but maybe that was just wording (or wording fail on my side).

I think you missed my "otherwise" in that post.

[John Pierce Gantt]

I don't want to triple post but I can't not say this.

Why are people having so much problem with "confirmed scum" word? I took it as "This man is so scummy that he is basically confirmed scum" and everything falls into places very nicely.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Axe, your PoE is coming from a already biased viewpoint. You’re clearly fitting the evidence (or lack of any) to validate what you want to believe.

You are trying to discredit Axe's opinions by calling his method faulty via bias, but calling him biased like that means you are viewing him as town though.
Mafias do not bias themselves; they lie and fabricate.

Heh, nice.

I missed this because tbh, I'm not really reading his posts anymore, but yeah. Inferno confirmed scum... This seems to also confirm me as town if he flips scum. I don't want to imagine a world where town!inferno exists though, so I will ignore that possibility.

I'll just say if you don't think I'm town at this point, I don't know what game you're reading.

[NotAnAxehole]

Skellen is very straightforward, just getting real Towny vibes from

him

all around.

Her. It's she!

Soz