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Post Post #250 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:24 am

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In post 240, Skellen wrote:@Axe:
I disagree about the scumread on Tchill as I think most of his posts are really reasonable and cooperative (in a townish manner). I could subscribe almost most of his posts in his exchange with RC as they mirror my problem with the Inferno wagon, so maybe that's just my bias. But I can see where you are coming from here given the possible associations of scum!Inferno. What interests me more on your scumread is that you already had on him in # (if you meant Tchill back then). I was rereading all of Tchill's posts until then but nothing really pinged me there besides maybe the talk about the weird RVS self-vote scum gambit (which however originally came from dave). What made you vary of him in the early pages?

Regarding Inferno, what is it that nails him down as
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scum? For me that's a heavy term as it equals an investigative guilty check (imo), which is exactly why I think it should be backed up. Originally I thought Inferno's reaction to the wagon on him where it looked like he was caught red-handed was the the argument as RC underlined it in #, but he said it was even before that. I really would appreciate a quote of said post with 1-2 lines to dumb it down. Not even asking for a PhD thesis here.
You're clearly town, I'm clearly town. Why don't we wait for a flip before scum hunting each other? I doubt the need to scum hunt between us will ever really be there given the current game state.

Inferno basically scum claims in the ability shared by JPG, calling me biased (town) while still "scum reading me" and his vote is still on me. Anyway, not much point, he's been obv scum tone since minute 0.
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Post Post #251 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:25 am

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Ability = post... What did I write to get that autocorrect?
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Post Post #252 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:37 am

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ErzaScarlet has requested replacement.
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Post Post #253 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:40 am

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Inferno390(4)-RadiantCowbells, NotAnAxehole, John Pierce Gantt, Vorkuta
John Pierce Gantt(2)-davesaz, RuiRui
NotAnAxehole(2)-Inferno390, Egix96
RadiantCowbells(1)-themilkcartonkid
Skellen(1)-ErzaScarlet
ErzaScarlet(1)-Tchill13


Not voting: chennisden, Skellen

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Post Post #254 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:00 am

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In post 218, John Pierce Gantt wrote:It's kinda funny because people are going "RC I don't believe you" and yet
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I see it as being essentially the same as rc’s. You point out some word choices, right?

My posting on rc should not be interpreted as refuting that case. It’s a warning about rc.
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Post Post #255 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:02 am

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Reminding myself examine 224
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Post Post #256 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:05 am

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In post 254, davesaz wrote:I see it as being essentially the same as rc’s. You point out some word choices, right?
Word choices were only the starting part of my analysis. If I had to summarize my entire points with one sentence, it would be "Inferno is not reacting like how town would react in multiple given situations."
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Post Post #257 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:22 am

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Inferno390 has also requested replacement.
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Post Post #258 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:28 am

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Is it standard for people to replace out when they start losing? Like, can we just hammer the slot?
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Post Post #259 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:48 am

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Well that's a weird series of replace outs.
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Post Post #260 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:51 am

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The standard way to think about replacing out is that it's not alignment indicative.
Pedit is there more than one?
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Post Post #261 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:52 am

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In post 258, NotAnAxehole wrote:Is it standard for people to replace out when they start losing? Like, can we just hammer the slot?
- Not at all, from my experience. It's best not to discuss anyone's reasons for replacing out anyway. It's NAI.

- Why so impatient? We still have 12 days left until deadline. Why not use that time?

pedit @Dave: Erza as well.
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Post Post #262 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:54 am

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BTW I hadn't read this page. Bookmark sent me to my last post on mobile...
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Post Post #263 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:00 am

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Reply to skellen's big post that I won't quote on my phone. The rc meta thing was posted because it's possible that several players don't know that he would bus with no other reason than to be townread for it.
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Post Post #264 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:03 am

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Axe has way too many tr. Poe before even 3 rl days is ridiculously fast.
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Post Post #265 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:06 am

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Do you disagree with any of his townlist then?
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Post Post #266 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:34 am

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Well I'm not going to request replacement unlike the other two axehole called scum lol.

I think it's odd I'm scum with inferno (who I apparently stuck my neck out for to avoid his mislynch) then I immediately bus my scum buddy.

That if you're following axe's logic.

Town do weird things. I don't exactly see the benefits of what rc is doing if he's scum. Now axe I can see scum motivation for but yes I'd like to get reads on separate players before the day ends.

Seems like axe and RC really tried to take control of the game with their push on inferno and then used ego to put those down who didn't see the "obv scum".
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Post Post #267 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:37 am

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RC sticks his neck out FIRST. axehole is right behind him after getting a few votes on himself and is JUST AS confident as RC. it's odd...

Neither player should be that confident. Then both agree that the only player pointing out they shouldn't be that confident that early is scum.

(when you result to "he's obv scum" after getting pressed for more explanation when you've only explained it once... Yeah, not a whole lot of reason there)
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Post Post #268 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:38 am

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prodding Stefan B and NSG
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Post Post #269 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:40 am

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Also is Stefan the only person axe has given a TR with not so good justification? Is that the plan? Tell everyone inferno is obv scum. Call anyone scum who opposes that theory then call everyone else town so you can lynch the opposed?
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Post Post #270 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:42 am

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Town reading RC because he knows it'll bite him if inferno flips town IS NOT a good idea.

There's one thing that consistently makes players throw caution to the wind here and its ego. Yes I believe rc is egotistical enough as town to KNOW he's caught scum before page 5, truly believe it, then still be wrong about it.
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Post Post #271 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:45 am

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In post 268, Nero Cain wrote:
prodding Stefan B and NSG
this was a troll. Neither are in the game.
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Post Post #272 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:48 am

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In post 216, Egix96 wrote:
In post 208, NotAnAxehole wrote:So I guess it's time to start talking about my second read that I referenced way back...
I'm kind of leaning scum on Tchill at the moment.


Inferno is always the first lynch here. To be honest, the fact that the votes are so spread out and not piling up on Inferno is probably an indication that we're right too.
If you could go into more detail on this, that would be great. In my previous game with Tchill, he was scum and he didn't make it very far (iirc he was very lurky but that might have been due to RL stuff) and his play here doesn't resemble his play there at all imo.
Yeah that game literally shouldn't count in my meta lol. Got super busy it was an abysmal effort. Don't TR me just because I'm not lurking. If you want to use meta you need to actually go read a few of my games. Of course I don't use meta at all because I'm too lasy to do that.
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Post Post #273 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:49 am

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In post 224, NotAnAxehole wrote:Let's play a little game shall we?

Inferno390(4)-
RadiantCowbells
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NotAnAxehole
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John Pierce Gantt
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Vorkuta

John Pierce Gantt(2)-
davesaz
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RuiRui

NotAnAxehole()-
Inferno390
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Egix96

RadiantCowbells(1)-
themilkcartonkid

Skellen(1)-
ErzaScarlet

Erza Scarlet(1)-
Tchill13


Not voting:
chennisden
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With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch or no lynch.

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Scum


Well that was fun, it seems like the Inferno wagon built so much early confidence that scum got really confused and forgot that they should be bussing.
I literally just won a scum game because I bussed day 1. Come on now.
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Post Post #274 (ISO) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:52 am

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Axe is coming off as egotistical, refuses to go in depth about reads, scoffs at those who don't see how obvious things are and has handed RC a hard TR due to (well its a bad look if inferno flips town which would keep RC from doing this, regardless of how confident RC is in his own reads) then has proceeded to hand TR's out among others who fit the narrative based on PoE and mostly gut read material.
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