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[themilkcartonkid]

Tchill what are all your reads?

Well I'm gonna fake every single explanation to you for my own purpose. So don't worry about it.

Be the change

[Vorkuta]

were scum.

Can confirm, and hence my

somewhat

unwavering faith and loyalty to your crusade.

Anyway, I'll cut to the chase.

I concede.
I blame the fact that I wasn't there for the interactions, but had to quickly scroll through them when I got online.

[RadiantCowbells]

my top two scumreads on play at this point in the game are Tchill13 and NotAnAxehole

When it seemed inevitable that Inferno390 was going to be the lynch, they were nonstop distancing and taking potshots at each other and calling each other scum in ways that struck me as immensely likely to be SvS
Now that we're no longer on the Inferno390 wagon, despite calling each other scum before, neither are voting each other. I've prompted them for reads on the other and they've ignored me. Axehole naked voted TMCK instead of voting Tchill who he called scum even after the inferno390 wagon ended and with basically no comment on TMCK.

I think that my gambit caught us not one but two scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I can actually scum case them both individually and as a team but I'm going to wait and see what they have to say in response to that.

[themilkcartonkid]

I think you're wrong on tchill

[Tchill13]

Continue to prove my point that you believe you're a God. I mean you may have caught 4 scum in one gambit alone. It's pretty impressive man.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think that I'm wrong.

[Tchill13]

Apologies to the group this is my one pet peeve. I'll umm... Restrain myself.

[RadiantCowbells]

and I mean. I do believe that I'm pretty damn good at this game if you go by results. my results are awesome. I'm actually pretty bad at mafia, I just try a lot harder than others.

[RadiantCowbells]

i don't have any actual real talent as town. i started out mediocre. i'm good now because i have an obscene amount of experience and i leverage that experience well.

but there's plenty of people with far less experience who can put in far less effort and have better reads than I can, so.

[RadiantCowbells]

like basically instead of actually catching you as scum I've just played so many games that I've seen this happen before enough times to have a general grasp of how town and scum respond to it.

it's not really being good at the game, it's just a function of the amount of time i've put into it.

[Vorkuta]

Humble
Please post more undertale.

Like Tchill- your defense needs to be MORE than "RC pls stop"

[Tchill13]

I'm not event trying to defend myself. There's really no case against me. Not one that involves straight forward and logical thinking.

I'm just gonna approach the game a bit differently from this point on.

[Skellen]

Yep, not really seeing the scumminess in Tchill. The only more elaborated argument that I found regarding that case is from Axe in #229 where he said that he is voting one way and looking the other and justifying things that don't matter. I disagree with both. Not really liking his cynical phase at the moment, but well, it's understandable to me.

The connection with Axe that RC pointed out is actually a good observation, but even then I would rather lynch through Axe first. His naked vote on milkcartonkid aside, I kind of wonder why he ditched the Inferno slot. He was as certain as RC before on Inferno, but apparently the push was fake by RC's side so why the change of mind...?

[Nero Cain]

Inferno390(2)-John Pierce Gantt, Tchill13
John Pierce Gantt(2)-davesaz, RuiRui,
NotAnAxehole(2)-Inferno390, Egix96
Tchill13 (2)-RadiantCowbells, Vorkuta
RadiantCowbells(1)-themilkcartonkid
Skellen(1)-ErzaScarlet
themilkcartonkid (1)-NotAnAxehole



Not voting: chennisden, Skellen

With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch or no lynch.


Deadline is (expired on 2019-04-22 00:00:00)

[Tchill13]

Axe obviously hasn't been consistent yet. I think those are good points skelken.

[Tchill13]

like basically instead of actually catching you as scum I've just played so many games that I've seen this happen before enough times to have a general grasp of how town and scum respond to it.

it's not really being good at the game, it's just a function of the amount of time i've put into it.

Another classic issue. You believe all types of players respond the same way to your silly gambits.

I'm done complaining about it. I'm done interacting with you and I'm done entertaining this silly game until you play in a reasonable manner.

[RadiantCowbells]

Miller claim out the gate is something I haven't seen scum do yet on this site even though there's obvious motivation for it. Not sure how I feel about it but I'm not gonna demand the lynch atm.

Extremely waffly and thus inherently scummy. You're also not a super wafflish type as town.

VOTE: notanaxehole

Cool name btw.

As for voters of axehole. I do believe it's more likely the self vote is a scum gambit opposed to the Miller claim.

That's 100 percent personal bias based on what I've seen from this site. I understand other ppl may have had different experiences.

This read doesn't really seem to have much basis and to me that makes sense with it being your scumbuddy whom you already know to be scum.

So basically we have 2 things we're go declare as wifom and RC has a confident scum read already. Man this is like day 3 level solving.

It's page 3 and I think you're full of it RC. Being cryptic helps nobody and it becomes a personal solve vs trying to work with others. You do you though. I'm not a fan of the style.

I've heard you're like decent around here though, you do you my man lol. I'm just not a fan of solo solving.

This is a strange response. The two major responses that I had an opinion on were Infernos which struck me as town and hence I went off on him (I 100% wanted to be pushing town there)
and this one which... is really scummy? Calling me full of it because I claim a confident scumread? Calling out my playstyle? The day 3 level solving line? It's all weird.
He's both assigning and awful lot of weight to it and far too little weight to it if you get what I mean, and that strikes me as more likely to be frightened scum than anything else.

Should I ask for a claim before I vote him or just vote there?

VOTE: inferno

He only has 3 votes atm no need for a claim yet.

The focus on the claim feels weird. Hard to inherently call it scummy, but it just feels weird.

We're on PG 4...RC has (apparently) got inferno dead to rights and it seems like ppl have no issue following him (including myself).

Other than RC I don't think anyone has a VALID reason. I'm not a tone reader. I'm doing it because RC seems so sure. The only thing that makes me hesitant is axehole hops right onto the inferno push with a lot of confidence when axehole was the other wagon. Seems survivalistic to me.

Of course these thoughts don't matter unless inferno flips town. Of course he isn't going... Right?

Two big things to focus on here.
1) All the language that Tchill uses that suggests he knows inferno flips town. (apparently) got inferno dead to rights. No one else has a valid reason. "the only thing that makes me hesitant". he isn't going to... right.
That's how scum that knows that they're on a mislynch talks.
2) The treatment of Axehole. "the only thing that makes me hesitant" is SvS indicative phrasing in general and the accusation that he was jumping on his counterwagon in fucking RVS is bogus. again, seems TMI scumread.

Falling prety to what charisma

inferno is literally confirmed scum.

If he's conf scum try explaining it again, like we're kindergarteners. Are you comfortable with axehole being so confident as well? When it seemed that other than inferno he was the leading wagon?

Again, hyper focused on the Axehole angle.

Idc and I never will. When someone NAILS scum in the first 5 pages there's always something suspicious about it.

Not only because it involves someone taking a loud stance early but it also displays an irrational amount of confidence for little to no reward. When someone is picked out this early there's almost no way you have enough material to convince a group that's the lynch. It's almost counter productive because you'll have ppl begin defending him just to do it.

This is a fucking weird post to make. He says there's something suspicious about it, then says that it's not going to work because people are going to defend him. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't follow.
It's just a weird post to make. There's no coherent thought process and it feels like scum rambling.

I mean seriously what's the reason for it? Because for you to resort to "he's obv scum" so quickly makes me believe you just assumed ppl would lynch just to lynch. Or you assumed everyone would agree with you on a minimal amount of content.

OK. Irrational confidence. That's reason enough.

Never seen "obv scum" work once a push started losing traction.

Continuing from before, he argues not

whether or not inferno is town

, but

whether or not I can get inferno lynched with the way I'm doing things

.
Notably, I was in fact refusing to give reasons because I didn't have reasons because I was intentionally wagoning a townread.

i also feel like you're his buddy, trying to pretend that you're willing to vote him but always making excuses.

That's cool man. The guy fighting you on the lynch because of minimal info just so happens to stick his neck out early instead of going with the flow. Pretty elementary stuff coming from you RC.

Totally brushes this off without questioning what it says about my alignment, because why not? I'm calling him SvS with town.

Well I'm not going to request replacement unlike the other two axehole called scum lol.

I think it's odd I'm scum with inferno (who I apparently stuck my neck out for to avoid his mislynch) then I immediately bus my scum buddy.

That if you're following axe's logic.

Town do weird things. I don't exactly see the benefits of what rc is doing if he's scum. Now axe I can see scum motivation for but yes I'd like to get reads on separate players before the day ends.

Seems like axe and RC really tried to take control of the game with their push on inferno and then used ego to put those down who didn't see the "obv scum".

Again the hyper focus on Axe without actually saying anything meaningful about him after calling him scum.

Also is Stefan the only person axe has given a TR with not so good justification? Is that the plan? Tell everyone inferno is obv scum. Call anyone scum who opposes that theory then call everyone else town so you can lynch the opposed?

Again, very SvSish looking posting.

Axe is coming off as egotistical, refuses to go in depth about reads, scoffs at those who don't see how obvious things are and has handed RC a hard TR due to (well its a bad look if inferno flips town which would keep RC from doing this, regardless of how confident RC is in his own reads) then has proceeded to hand TR's out among others who fit the narrative based on PoE and mostly gut read material.

more TMI scumread on Axe

I'd be very surprised if it was as easy as inferno and erza being scum together but we will see I guess.

VOTE: inferno

More posting that suggests that he knows that the dude's flipping town then votes Inferno in spite of that.

I've yet to really take a hard stance. I said axe is more than likely scum. Then I voted inferno and said I was fine with that lynch. Mostly due to the steam it picked up and that he was always in my mind going to be pushed the rest of the game. I wanted some actions and reactions.

Well I got those. Found out I can't trust you the rest of this game so that's nice.

Deflects from me asking him about Axehole, and then for the remainder of the game continues to not talk about Axehole despite, while there being a wagon that overshadowed Axehole, him being their top priority to discuss.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not event trying to defend myself. There's really no case against me. Not one that involves straight forward and logical thinking.

I'm just gonna approach the game a bit differently from this point on.

like basically instead of actually catching you as scum I've just played so many games that I've seen this happen before enough times to have a general grasp of how town and scum respond to it.

it's not really being good at the game, it's just a function of the amount of time i've put into it.

Another classic issue. You believe all types of players respond the same way to your silly gambits.

I'm done complaining about it. I'm done interacting with you and I'm done entertaining this silly game until you play in a reasonable manner.

Also: people commented that Inferno was responding scum caught for the wrong reasons?

THIS

is scum caught for the wrong reasons.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also nothing pisses scum off more than when I derptunnel someone and stop derptunneling them. I've seen scum get mad about that, so, so many time.

[Tchill13]

Smh. You egotistical maniacs all say it's scum caught for the wrong reasons whenever someone gives a little push back on how anti town your play style actually is.

You literally made someone replace out of frustration of a fake push. You care about no one but yourself.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh and from the other side:

Regarding his first ten posts, he basically said nothing about why he was scumreading Inferno. Which is moderately fine if it was just a reaction test, but it did feel like open wolfing to me. Only lightly though. Not main reason for scumread there.

So I guess it's time to start talking about my second read that I referenced way back... I'm kind of leaning scum on Tchill at the moment.

Inferno is always the first lynch here. To be honest, the fact that the votes are so spread out and not piling up on Inferno is probably an indication that we're right too.

Two things: one he calls tchill scum in a very distancey way, and then openly says that Inferno is always the first lynch her. So basically: tchill is scum but we're never lynching them today.

So it's fairly straightforward.

RC knows that by being assertive so early on a target and pushing this hard for a lynch will automatically come back to bite if the flip is town. I am aware of this too (and probably shielding RC from it a bit at the same time) - There is little to no incentive for either of us to do this as town, especially given none of you have meta on me.

JPG is just correct in his analysis, if in some world you and ErzaScarlet both flip town, I will re-evaluate his need to respond to what seems to be caught scum. I don't know him, so he gets the benefit of the doubt.

3/13 town... Let's keep going.

Skellen is very straightforward, just getting real Towny vibes from him all around. Scum hunting, good job.

Davesaz and ruirui have no business pushing JPG right now as scum, it's clear we aren't lynching him and it feels like a town counter-wagon. Ruirui to be re-evaluated if it looks like we're going towards LyLo... But eh...

So that's 6/13

Egix96 seems like confused Towny, I understand the vote on me. The timing isn't convenient, so I don't think scum make that leap.

Vorkuta doesn't make sense as scum for me either due to his day 1 posting and voting.

Day 1 PoE of 5:
Themilkcartonkid is just the least of my town reads, probably doesn't deserve to be on this list, but I seem to remember there was one post I was like hmmm... Idk, otherwise nothing memorable, which is probably why he's here.

Has my null read even posted? I'm not even going to go back to look up his id.

Tchill13 is the weakest of my scum reads, but still... He seems to be looking one way, voting another... And generally overly justifying things that don't actually matter.

ErzaScarlet was captured perfectly in two posts by JPG, go look for it. I don't care to.

Inferno is the embodiment of Pikachu, he's loud and fluffy and just makes noises that nobody can understand. You think it's cute, but then when you have to listen to it all day, you realize it's just a rat that is trying to fuck shit up in your house. Regardless of flip, this is a good lynch for town at LyLo -3

This is an

AWFUL

readslist.

@Axe:
I disagree about the scumread on Tchill as I think most of his posts are really reasonable and cooperative (in a townish manner). I could subscribe almost most of his posts in his exchange with RC as they mirror my problem with the Inferno wagon, so maybe that's just my bias. But I can see where you are coming from here given the possible associations of scum!Inferno. What interests me more on your scumread is that you already had on him in #84 (if you meant Tchill back then). I was rereading all of Tchill's posts until then but nothing really pinged me there besides maybe the talk about the weird RVS self-vote scum gambit (which however originally came from dave). What made you vary of him in the early pages?

Regarding Inferno, what is it that nails him down as

confirmed

scum? For me that's a heavy term as it equals an investigative guilty check (imo), which is exactly why I think it should be backed up. Originally I thought Inferno's reaction to the wagon on him where it looked like he was caught red-handed was the the argument as RC underlined it in #81, but he said it was even before that. I really would appreciate a quote of said post with 1-2 lines to dumb it down. Not even asking for a PhD thesis here.

You're clearly town, I'm clearly town. Why don't we wait for a flip before scum hunting each other? I doubt the need to scum hunt between us will ever really be there given the current game state.

Inferno basically scum claims in the ability shared by JPG, calling me biased (town) while still "scum reading me" and his vote is still on me. Anyway, not much point, he's been obv scum tone since minute 0.

Two things.
1) Skellen townread feels TMI.
2) The "inferno basically scum claims" bit doesn't really mesh with the fact that in the readslist he basically said that Inferno was a policy

Is it standard for people to replace out when they start losing? Like, can we just hammer the slot?

I mean, Tchill13 is scum, but I don't see why we don't lynch the inferno slot?

VOTE: themilkcartonkid

Then a third time: pushes the inferno lynch, agrees that Tchill is scum, but tried to redirect to inferno, then votes someone who isn't Tchill when Inferno is no longer a wagon.

[Tchill13]

So if I full claim can we lynch RC? anybody against that?

[RadiantCowbells]

I believe you that you hate my playstyle, but you're still caught scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Btw I read 2060, I know that you love fakeclaiming as scum. You're not gonna get out of this by claiming some dumb PR.