Fire on the Mountain [Over]

Enter · Post Post #6825 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:41 am

In post 6822, Formerfish wrote:
In post 6803, Enter wrote:Fish calm down or take a break.
How am I coming off as uncalm? I dont like when people try to manage me when I'm not in need of it. Please don't do this.

Stop responding the way you've been responding, it's not helpful. If you're calm, control should be easily attainable and I shouldn't have to ask.

Enter · Post Post #6826 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:44 am

In post 6819, Formerfish wrote:Like why do I tr jingle as a default? I've seen jingle in action and when he's on and town it's a beautiful thing to see. We just finished a game together and had it solved and won on day 2. I can see a thought process that is incredibly transparent and one that I can understand. That all makes him town to me until he shows otherwise.

What is beautiful about Jingle's play this game that is causing you to TR him?

Formerfish · Post Post #6827 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:45 am

In post 6825, Enter wrote:
In post 6822, Formerfish wrote:
In post 6803, Enter wrote:Fish calm down or take a break.
How am I coming off as uncalm? I dont like when people try to manage me when I'm not in need of it. Please don't do this.
Stop responding the way you've been responding, it's not helpful. If you're calm, control should be easily attainable and I shouldn't have to ask.

Ok, but just because you say I need to calm down doesn't mean I'm not calm. If you showed where you think I was being uncouth it would help me understand where you're coming from with saying that.

However, telling me to calm down is going to have the normal reaction for most people, i.e. not the one you're advocating for...

Enter · Post Post #6828 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:46 am

In post 6817, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:
In post 6813, Enter wrote:What is the relevance to the situation quoted?
I basically townread Dann the entire time too, so

Understood.

In post 6818, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:No I think Liger is town.
And it's one of my read that is not oscillating.

Alright. How much has this list changed from your last list?

In post 6820, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:But then, I'm not really trusting my non-solid-townreads and mostly relying on other's reads because as I said this game counters me.

Understood

Formerfish · Post Post #6829 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:47 am

In post 6826, Enter wrote:
In post 6819, Formerfish wrote:Like why do I tr jingle as a default? I've seen jingle in action and when he's on and town it's a beautiful thing to see. We just finished a game together and had it solved and won on day 2. I can see a thought process that is incredibly transparent and one that I can understand. That all makes him town to me until he shows otherwise.
What is beautiful about Jingle's play this game that is causing you to TR him?

I don't know if you aren't understanding what I'm saying or if you are being intentionally obtuse.

My default read on jingle is town. Jingle needs to show scum mentality for me to change that read. Jingle hasn't done that, so defualt setting is still in acted.

Enter · Post Post #6830 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:47 am

In post 6827, Formerfish wrote:
In post 6825, Enter wrote:
In post 6822, Formerfish wrote:
In post 6803, Enter wrote:Fish calm down or take a break.
How am I coming off as uncalm? I dont like when people try to manage me when I'm not in need of it. Please don't do this.
Stop responding the way you've been responding, it's not helpful. If you're calm, control should be easily attainable and I shouldn't have to ask.
Ok, but just because you say I need to calm down doesn't mean I'm not calm. If you showed where you think I was being uncouth it would help me understand where you're coming from with saying that.

However, telling me to calm down is going to have the normal reaction for most people, i.e. not the one you're advocating for...

I did show you where, and it has the normal reaction when I ask for it from other people.

Enter · Post Post #6831 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:48 am

In post 6829, Formerfish wrote:
In post 6826, Enter wrote:
In post 6819, Formerfish wrote:Like why do I tr jingle as a default? I've seen jingle in action and when he's on and town it's a beautiful thing to see. We just finished a game together and had it solved and won on day 2. I can see a thought process that is incredibly transparent and one that I can understand. That all makes him town to me until he shows otherwise.
What is beautiful about Jingle's play this game that is causing you to TR him?
I don't know if you aren't understanding what I'm saying or if you are being intentionally obtuse.

My default read on jingle is town. Jingle needs to show scum mentality for me to change that read. Jingle hasn't done that, so defualt setting is still in acted.

I think it's the other way, actually.

What is difficult to read about Jingle, for you?

Enter · Post Post #6832 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:49 am

I see you joined in 2013. Have you been playing mafia consistently since then? How has your game changed over time?

Formerfish · Post Post #6833 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:50 am

In post 6830, Enter wrote:I did show you where

Can you point that out to me, it must not have been clear enough for me to see.

Enter · Post Post #6834 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:51 am

In post 6801, Enter wrote:
In post 6796, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:
In post 6788, Enter wrote:What are you not showing me?
I have intentionally hid all my paranoias for this game, but that shouldn't affect anything?
That's probably a solid way to play, and no, I don't think that should be affecting it. I'll see if I can figure it out.
In post 6798, Formerfish wrote:
In post 6708, Enter wrote:
In post 6199, Formerfish wrote:Lynching me will just cost town another vanilla.

I honestly don't care if you guys lynch me. I replaced in to help move the game along. If you all agree that my death tells you something about who is scum, then vote away.
FF has a lot of individual scum cred for posts like this
Than lynch me bro. I'm not sure how me stating the obvious that I am much less invested in the outcome of this game as other people in here are. I joined the game because I saw that NSG wasn't getting any offers to replace in and I'm waiting on other games to fill. If you wanna lynch this slot to move the game forward than let's get it the fuck on.
What kind of attitude is this? Really?

Formerfish · Post Post #6835 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:53 am

In post 6832, Enter wrote:I see you joined in 2013. Have you been playing mafia consistently since then? How has your game changed over time?

I've played mostly consistently with a few long stretches of time in between.

And I doubt many people would agree to this, but I'm more reserved in my play, less frantic with my votes and reads. I have been working on building reads from interactions and not confbiasing as much. I've been spending a lot of time in the newbie list to try and refine my scum hunting. It's going with mixed results.

Enter · Post Post #6836 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:55 am

OK that makes some things make a bit more sense.

Formerfish · Post Post #6837 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:55 am

Enter, that's not me being mad man. That's literally me saying that if you guys feel like my lynch will move the game forward than go for it. No malice to that, no animosity.

If all I'm going to be is lynch bait for the rest of the game because of gamestate reads then I'd rather just eat rope than try and argue against a boogyman.

Formerfish · Post Post #6838 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:56 am

In post 6836, Enter wrote:OK that makes some things make a bit more sense.

I'd like you to elaborate on what it sheds light on and how.

Enter · Post Post #6839 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:56 am

If you would reorient so that we are looking at the game as a hole here, I would very very much appreciate it. What is your read on the game as of right now?

Enter · Post Post #6840 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:57 am

In post 6837, Formerfish wrote:Enter, that's not me being mad man. That's literally me saying that if you guys feel like my lynch will move the game forward than go for it. No malice to that, no animosity.

If all I'm going to be is lynch bait for the rest of the game because of gamestate reads then I'd rather just eat rope than try and argue against a boogyman.

Whether or not you're mad here, asking us to lynch you doesn't move the game forward or help me or anyone else much at all.

Enter · Post Post #6841 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:00 am

I've got at least three players trying to give up and eat rope and it's not helpful in the slightest. I need people to figure out what they're doing and how to spew themselves town. The idea that you're going to be the lynch in the back of everyone's head comes from those times when you escaped lynch by AtE. AtE town reads rarely last very long, in my experience, but solid pro town play really helps the game move forward and can get you into a more solid town position. I need players to do that instead of trying to give up and get themselves lynched.

Enter · Post Post #6842 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:01 am

In post 6838, Formerfish wrote:
In post 6836, Enter wrote:OK that makes some things make a bit more sense.
I'd like you to elaborate on what it sheds light on and how.

Your responses and approach very much feel like you're trying to take advantage of inexperience and the way you talk feels like its straight out of the newbie queue. I was trying to figure out why you sound like a newbie without necessarily playing like one.

Enter · Post Post #6843 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:02 am

My theory was that it was possible you just hadn't played a lot of scum and you were new to scum and trying to use techniques there? Also the way you tried to scum read Dann coming out of it reads like you're trying to read new scum.

Formerfish · Post Post #6844 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:13 am

In post 6840, Enter wrote:
In post 6837, Formerfish wrote:Enter, that's not me being mad man. That's literally me saying that if you guys feel like my lynch will move the game forward than go for it. No malice to that, no animosity.

If all I'm going to be is lynch bait for the rest of the game because of gamestate reads then I'd rather just eat rope than try and argue against a boogyman.
Whether or not you're mad here, asking us to lynch you doesn't move the game forward or help me or anyone else much at all.

If my slot is one that others are sticking on then my lynch does clear that up. Once I'm dead and flipped town people won't be able to hide behind my push. All the associative reads with me as scum will vanish in an instant and you guys will have a different game state. I've come to figure out some slots just need to die for town to get over themselves. My slot might be one of those slots.

MaxwellPuckett · Post Post #6845 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:16 am

I know Enter asked me to do a thing but i didnt rly have time for a big ol assignment right then
Caught up tho

Im not rly getting scumvibes from Fish here. The townvibes are weak but theyre there and nothing strikes me as esp inconsistent in a thought process sortve way
Then again I wasnt rly convinced on Fish scum before

Pedit: I felt this way earlier and I kinda doubt Fish is just parroting what ive already said

MaxwellPuckett · Post Post #6846 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:20 am

In post 6661, or wrote:I might be biased, but they don't look that poignant. In fact the attitude I get is, hey it's kind of funny that I'm potential mislynch bait. It doesn't translate into the next day boo hoo I'm so sorry Mcqueen bro.

I rly dont like this at all
Why are my posts from before mcqueens flip when i thought he had a good shot of being scum supposed to smoothly transition to how i felt seeing his townflip and seeing his posts in twilight
And also my post to mcqueen was responding to something specific he had said in twilight that hadnt happened yet at those preflip quotes you quoted so like???

Also idk where you got that i think my possibility of getting MLed is funny

Xtoxm · Post Post #6847 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:26 am

In post 6480, Formerfish wrote:
In post 6462, Liger_Zero wrote:Whats scumy about RU or Xtox tone today?
Short answers:

RU- the lost post 5845, then the talk about having to reread, but then gut towning 2 people just a few posts later. And a lot of what looks like fluff posting.

Xtox- I could be on tilt with him because he just beat me in a game, but the play seems similar from there to here.

hey fish.
im town this time
your slot is a priority sort for me rn
you still around?

Formerfish · Post Post #6848 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:49 am

In post 6847, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 6480, Formerfish wrote:
In post 6462, Liger_Zero wrote:Whats scumy about RU or Xtox tone today?
Short answers:

RU- the lost post 5845, then the talk about having to reread, but then gut towning 2 people just a few posts later. And a lot of what looks like fluff posting.

Xtox- I could be on tilt with him because he just beat me in a game, but the play seems similar from there to here.
hey fish.
im town this time
your slot is a priority sort for me rn
you still around?

I am. Forgive me if I don't cowtow to you saying you're town. You did the same thing last game and then sat back as town tore into me and giggled your way to a win.

Xtoxm · Post Post #6849 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:53 am

yeah thats cool, can you help me understand some of your other reads.
you have creature at null, i think he's done enough even on todays content to have a read on him.
could you go into that one?