Fire on the Mountain [Over]

Formerfish · Post Post #6875 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:04 am

In post 6025, Dannflor wrote:formerfish/ddl still makes most sense to me

but if it's not ddl I don't know who formerfish's partner is

This was a subtle switch as well. Or has been a scum read of his for awhile, and then he started to sr me. Somehow I became the definite scum and or has become my buddy and now interactions are being judged on could they be my partner, not could I be Ors.

Xtoxm · Post Post #6876 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:07 am

In post 6874, Formerfish wrote:Xtox, what did you think about Enters posts surrounding Danns new list for a scumpool for today?

could you link me what exactly you are referring to?

Formerfish · Post Post #6877 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:07 am

In post 6033, Dannflor wrote:the problem is xtoxm has constantly asserted that the town block is incorrect and steam rolling through mislynches but offers no actual alternative or opposition

his pushes on prince and enter are vanity

In post 6034, Dannflor wrote:and then when he actually does do something he's "helping this wagon along because X bad reason"

And these 2 come right after taking you off his scum list and putting you into a town bracket. The amount of waffle this guys is exhibiting would be found to be threatening by the likes of Waffle and Huddle House.

Formerfish · Post Post #6878 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:10 am

In post 6876, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 6874, Formerfish wrote:Xtox, what did you think about Enters posts surrounding Danns new list for a scumpool for today?
could you link me what exactly you are referring to?

In post 6231, Dannflor wrote:I'm fine with [fish,jingle,or,myself] being the lynch pool

I feel good about fish flipping red

and this is right after this as well,

In post 6105, Dannflor wrote:it's out of the four DDL/xtox/Alisae/Max

If its out of us 4, why is jingle there and why did dann include himself in his own lynch pool?

Its starts around there and then Enter comes in with some more along with myself.

Xtoxm · Post Post #6879 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:13 am

i do agree with you on those posts. dann has been a sr for me for most of the game, it is easy to find posts of his that ping me.
with the or/you thing - i have had similar thoughts to him there. or's posting at l-1 looked pretty townie to me, while you were absent at the time, so i dont find that switch alarming.

Enter · Post Post #6880 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:14 am

In post 6857, Xtoxm wrote:creature is the single most universally townread slot in this game.
what is his scum motivation for challenging consensus reads?
why not just ride the mislynches others are pushing?

No, he isn't.

Why aren't you did of creature after 2059?

Xtoxm · Post Post #6881 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:14 am

In post 6878, Formerfish wrote:If its out of us 4, why is jingle there and why did dann include himself in his own lynch pool?

i dont know. putting yourself in a lynch pool is lamist crap and deffo +scum equity.

Xtoxm · Post Post #6882 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:15 am

In post 6880, Enter wrote:
In post 6857, Xtoxm wrote:creature is the single most universally townread slot in this game.
what is his scum motivation for challenging consensus reads?
why not just ride the mislynches others are pushing?
No, he isn't.

Why aren't you did of creature after 2059?

his play there compared to his play here is like night and day.

Enter · Post Post #6883 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:15 am

In post 6882, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 6880, Enter wrote:
In post 6857, Xtoxm wrote:creature is the single most universally townread slot in this game.
what is his scum motivation for challenging consensus reads?
why not just ride the mislynches others are pushing?
No, he isn't.

Why aren't you did of creature after 2059?
his play there compared to his play here is like night and day.

So is mine.

Enter · Post Post #6884 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:16 am

But you're really suspicious of me

Xtoxm · Post Post #6885 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:17 am

im talking to fish, and i'd appreciate it if you didnt butt in.

Formerfish · Post Post #6886 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:18 am

In post 6879, Xtoxm wrote:or's posting at l-1 looked pretty townie to me, while you were absent at the time, so i dont find that switch alarming.

But Dann was still sring Or. It just went from Or being the guy and me being his buddy, to me being the guy and how Or would be my buddy. See, thats why its subtle, its just makes a small adjustment to the power matrix he is creating between or and myself.

Formerfish · Post Post #6887 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:19 am

In post 6885, Xtoxm wrote:im talking to fish, and i'd appreciate it if you didnt butt in.

We arent exclusive brother. I can handle outside contributions when they are relevant to the topic at hand.

Xtoxm · Post Post #6888 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:21 am

In post 6874, Formerfish wrote:Xtox, what did you think about Enters posts surrounding Danns new list for a scumpool for today?

ok, i see now. pretty much par for the course for him, i think?
i disagree with almost everything enter says, hes been on 3 mislynches in a row, and there are other specific things that have pinged me.
on the other side, i have to wonder if maybe he really is out of his scum range this time? i dont know. post count is literally the only thing i would town read him for, and while he has more posts here than anuket (a recent game with him), i applied that principle incorrectly as he was scum in that game.

Enter · Post Post #6889 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:23 am

In post 6857, Xtoxm wrote:creature is the single most universally townread slot in this game.
what is his scum motivation for challenging consensus reads?
why not just ride the mislynches others are pushing?

Scum motivation for challenging consensus is same as scum motivation for dann challenging consensus.

You can't scum read one player for the same feeling you town read the other players for.

Formerfish · Post Post #6890 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:25 am

In post 6255, Enter wrote:Alright, so we have difficulty maintaining a constant PoE between players in the town block and we have trouble keeping the PoE w/in a specific number of players. Right now if we don't lynch scum in the next three days, we lose. That means you can have 1 scum in a pool of 3 or 2 scum in a pool of 4. I proposed a pool of 4 earlier that contained both scum. You just proposed a completely different lynch pool that contained 2 players which were outside the pool before and without contesting or pushing against the players currently in the pool. Even if you fully believe in the lynch pool you proposed, maintaining and pushing that without having a good solid clear on all the players before is a good way to keep town in general confused on who to lynch and the overall lynch pool of town is quite large. If we lynch in the pool you listed right now and there is only one scum in it (you) then we end up in lylo w/ 3 possible scum candidates that have large amounts of contention about them for like the entirety of the game.

xtox, do you disagree with this assesment of the situation?

Enter · Post Post #6891 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:25 am

In post 6859, Formerfish wrote:
In post 5959, Creature wrote:Townreads clarified so far:
Enter
Jingle
Ankamius?
Dannflor?

MaxwellPuckett

Personal gamble:
or town

In post 5974, Creature wrote:Left:

Liger_Zero
Formerfish
Reiuji Utsuho
Vedith
RadiantCowbells
Xtoxm
I don't see anything earth shatteringly novel in his reads.

The funny thing is that he isn't even really challenging consensus because rei hasn't been consensus town for some time now and rc has also been challenged 4 times

Formerfish · Post Post #6892 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:27 am

Enter is, from how I understood it, accusing Dann of widening the potential lynch pool, instead of sticking within a certain established pool without specifically excluding any of the previous people from the pool.

Enter · Post Post #6893 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:28 am

In post 6870, Xtoxm wrote:ive suspected a deep wolf for quite some time in this game, in fact i tr most of the poe and also tr the past 3 lynches. so creature doing that is further evidence is his favour fmpov.
your slot had actually been widely tr based on your predecessor ali, and only recently have people been starting to call it scum.
creature is locktown for me for a multitude of reasons.
im not looking to change your mind here, really. im trying to gauge if your read is genuine.
im happy for you to move onto my question about dann now if you are

Considering his slot was pushed for lynches on day 2 4 and 5 and I think 3 as well, you're wrong on him being universally townread also

Xtoxm · Post Post #6894 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:29 am

In post 6890, Formerfish wrote:
In post 6255, Enter wrote:Alright, so we have difficulty maintaining a constant PoE between players in the town block and we have trouble keeping the PoE w/in a specific number of players. Right now if we don't lynch scum in the next three days, we lose. That means you can have 1 scum in a pool of 3 or 2 scum in a pool of 4. I proposed a pool of 4 earlier that contained both scum. You just proposed a completely different lynch pool that contained 2 players which were outside the pool before and without contesting or pushing against the players currently in the pool. Even if you fully believe in the lynch pool you proposed, maintaining and pushing that without having a good solid clear on all the players before is a good way to keep town in general confused on who to lynch and the overall lynch pool of town is quite large. If we lynch in the pool you listed right now and there is only one scum in it (you) then we end up in lylo w/ 3 possible scum candidates that have large amounts of contention about them for like the entirety of the game.
xtox, do you disagree with this assesment of the situation?

he has the facts of the situation correct, yes. we do need a pool of 4 that contains both scum. i dont agree with him on who those individuals are.

Formerfish · Post Post #6895 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:31 am

In post 6894, Xtoxm wrote:he has the facts of the situation correct, yes. we do need a pool of 4 that contains both scum. i dont agree with him on who those individuals are.

And if you are sring Dann, would it be safe to assume you dont like his choices (barring himself) either?

Enter · Post Post #6896 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:31 am

In post 6894, Xtoxm wrote:he has the facts of the situation correct, yes. we do need a pool of 4 that contains both scum. i dont agree with him on who those individuals are.

Really. Who do I think those individuals are?

Xtoxm · Post Post #6897 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:31 am

In post 6892, Formerfish wrote:Enter is, from how I understood it, accusing Dann of widening the potential lynch pool, instead of sticking within a certain established pool without specifically excluding any of the previous people from the pool.

i would be guilty of the same charge, in that case.

Enter · Post Post #6898 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:32 am

Also explain how we have the facts of the situation correct when my game state read blatantly disagrees with everything you've said about the game over the past couple pages?

Xtoxm · Post Post #6899 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:35 am

im going to step out of the thread now, enter is irritating me.