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I think he has created a narrative that ensures at least 1 mislynch.

Or is a wildcard. If or is town then Dann is setting up 2 mislynches and would push one after the other flipped green, resulting in 2 town flips and more people being doused or lit on fire (i really should have looked at this game before agreeing to sub in, I had no idea we were in a seminightless moutanous game...). If or is scum and is Danns partner it could be Dann parking a vote on or and then when he saw a way to get it off he did and then attempted to minimize his suspicion of or by putting me in the primary scum role.

OK. So you think the fact that he pushed you makes him more likely to be scum because you're town and you think he's pushing you as a mislynch?

Explain how Or makes sense to be scum with him here, I got the impression from your last post that you thought he was willing to lynch either of you, wouldn't the best way to sort this scenario be to push or?

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Is there a reason to put xtoxm in the scum list prior to pushing for the tell you wanted to run on him, or...?

Gut read of him was scum, he was doing some of the same scum distancing from the thread that id seem in a prior game. Here is willing to get up close and personal with me and let me see who he is. I didnt expect him to do that and it gives me enough pause to allow myself time to run something. I feel like I can get a good read off how we interact next.

Makes sense, I think.

[MaxwellPuckett]

Im not sure if this thread bloating is helping or hindering finding scum bc it makes it really really hard to go back and read interactions
I dont think anyone who has been posting recently has been scum (i did read it all even if i couldnt understand all of what was said on a deeper level)

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Im not sure if this thread bloating is helping or hindering finding scum bc it makes it really really hard to go back and read interactions
I dont think anyone who has been posting recently has been scum (i did read it all even if i couldnt understand all of what was said on a deeper level)

To be clear, you at town reading FF, myself, dann, ank, and xtoxm?

I apologize for bloating the thread, when I get to my computer I can try to help by getting through specific points.

Will you look at grapes and see if we can clear xtoxm based off the fact that everyone else he has voted has been town?

[MaxwellPuckett]

To be clear im not saying "hyperposting is antitown" inherently but at some point we're just rehashing the same points over and over
Xtoxm ill admit i may be biased on but i dont think i had any such bias on formerfish and i think his thought process is consistent w an annoyed town replacement and not a scum one
Theres scum motive to a few things hes done (marginally, like i see it and its been talked abt already) but from the pov of town being pushed by him i dont think the suspicion of Dann is weird at all

[Formerfish]

FF if you get a chance will you look at the grapes ISO and then tell me if we can clear xtoxm off the fact that everyone else grapes has voted is town?

I assume we are taking the fact that he voted your slot as another plus in his voting for town only right? So in your mind 3 if the 4 votes we're on town.

And yea as far a xtox goes I'm more paranoid for sure; for starters I can't tell if him expecting me to be obv-town in three posts when I clearly hadn't even read the game yet is him as town excited to sort me or scum trying to "box out" a threat real quick. And while it's early for this my crazy brain is telling me ya'll aren't scum/scum though I'm still mostly feeling you out anyways so blah

This doesn't ping me as s/s, this sounds kinda like scum trying to paint someone else as scummy. Why would scum xtox call out his scum partner and then have his scum partner shit on him in thread. This is a good point in favor of to town to me.

Grapes vote in 549 doesn't feel like a bus vote, it feels like a vote against someone who's hitting to close to home. It's like a shot across the bow.

I come out of that feeling much better about tox town.

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To be clear im not saying "hyperposting is antitown" inherently but at some point we're just rehashing the same points over and over
Xtoxm ill admit i may be biased on but i dont think i had any such bias on formerfish and i think his thought process is consistent w an annoyed town replacement and not a scum one
Theres scum motive to a few things hes done (marginally, like i see it and its been talked abt already) but from the pov of town being pushed by him i dont think the suspicion of Dann is weird at all

What points do you think are being rehashed and do you think it is points being rehashed with the same people or different people, and do you apply the same value to each?

What do you think makes sense about the dann suspicions to you?

FF if you get a chance will you look at the grapes ISO and then tell me if we can clear xtoxm off the fact that everyone else grapes has voted is town?

I assume we are taking the fact that he voted your slot as another plus in his voting for town only right? So in your mind 3 if the 4 votes we're on town.

And yea as far a xtox goes I'm more paranoid for sure; for starters I can't tell if him expecting me to be obv-town in three posts when I clearly hadn't even read the game yet is him as town excited to sort me or scum trying to "box out" a threat real quick. And while it's early for this my crazy brain is telling me ya'll aren't scum/scum though I'm still mostly feeling you out anyways so blah

This doesn't ping me as s/s, this sounds kinda like scum trying to paint someone else as scummy. Why would scum xtox call out his scum partner and then have his scum partner shit on him in thread. This is a good point in favor of to town to me.

Grapes vote in 549 doesn't feel like a bus vote, it feels like a vote against someone who's hitting to close to home. It's like a shot across the bow.

I come out of that feeling much better about tox town.

Alright. So I very much agreed and I think we can call xtoxm town at this point, then?

[Dannflor]

not a lot of time heading into class but I agree with the above that Xtoxm is town

[MaxwellPuckett]

To be clear, you at town reading FF, myself, dann, ank, and xtoxm?

I apologize for bloating the thread, when I get to my computer I can try to help by getting through specific points.

Will you look at grapes and see if we can clear xtoxm based off the fact that everyone else he has voted has been town?

Im townreading you and Ank the most and i wont budge on that
If I had to choose between Dann and Fish as the one whos townier i would pick Fish. im feeling out dann rn but i did have a townread there im not eager to simply throw away
Xtoxm I townread. I just acknowledge it may not be for a good reason. But i dont see myself voting Xtoxm today and would much rather exhaust other options bc of that townread

The problem w you Enter is not rly just the number of posts but its how complete you are w grilling every single aspect of the game
Which isnt bad in and of itself but i think a lot of it is extraneous and could be kept to your own notes
As an example you sometimes seem to be asking questions off the cuff and trying to get people to participate in your method of solving which is again not bad but questions for questions sake or to just get peoppe involved with literally anything you can grab is going to be at some point too much for the rest of us to follow
I def appreciate how much youre putting into the game but i do think its making it harder for natural interactions to happen w the less active playerbase and for players like Fish who dont have all the context you do and cant just grasp a 300 page game in a much shorter timespan

Im not sure if we can clear xtoxm from that bc i see no solid reason that grapes wouldnt have voted his scumbuddy at some point just bc the others were all town. Not unless he pushed Xtoxm at a time it may have made Xtoxm more likely to be lynched, then I would give more credence to the idea its 100% not SvS
For that same reason I dont like the simple declaration that there had to be at least one scum on grapes bc i feel like the initial assumption is flawed

I promise you im doing my best here but the game IS massive and has been extremely messy and at some point less really is more

[MaxwellPuckett]

I do like Fishs point on Xtoxm town based on grapes interactions though bc it has the actual push feel that I had mentioned

[Formerfish]

OK. So you think the fact that he pushed you makes him more likely to be scum because you're town and you think he's pushing you as a mislynch?

In short, yes.

Explain how Or makes sense to be scum with him here, I got the impression from your last post that you thought he was willing to lynch either of you, wouldn't the best way to sort this scenario be to push or?

I guess it has less to do with or not being scum, and Dann just having more scum equity in that situation in the fact that he kinda set it up that I could see scumdan do that do save a partner or damn an innocent and that moves Dann up my lynch order above or.

[Dannflor]

FF, what would be your personal ideal lynch order rnow

[Formerfish]

FF, what would be your personal ideal lynch order rnow

Right now based off what I have gathered:

Dann > Or > Creature.

[MaxwellPuckett]

What points do you think are being rehashed and do you think it is points being rehashed with the same people or different people, and do you apply the same value to each?

What do you think makes sense about the dann suspicions to you?

See your first question here is kindve what I mean youve literally asked every possible question you could have and it feels like youre doing so w/o really thinking about the utility of it
I dont know what specific points bc theres just so goddamn much yknow thats like the backbone of the issue
If its not rehashing then its irrelevant
Grapes interactions w Xtoxm I wouldnt say are irrelevant but like what useful information do you actually get from me answering your first question
Im interested in what scum are doing and im p damn sure you arent scum so im not interested in examining it further

As for Dann its more that his analysis has been good i think but if scum i can see his attempts to stay at the top of the lynchpool while lynching within it
And idk how i feel abt his frustration w still being in the lynchpool but i might need to reexamine that

[MaxwellPuckett]

Im also going to say Creature is town here its p obvious to me from his Karmeleon and Creature posts
His scumgames def gotten better so im not going to totally say hes never scum
All I dont rly like is the Fish vote but like I recognize my opinion on Fish is not the consensus

[MaxwellPuckett]

so what's left is engaging a dialogue with max, and trying to further gauge if he's scum

I missed this post from you or what do you want to talk about
I also replied to you abt ur dialogue w Liger abt him townreading me, its in my iso

[MaxwellPuckett]

This is the primary evidence against DDL/FF

There's no way FF doesn't know or and DDL are one and the same if they're the scum team yknow

I thought it could be faked in the heat of the moment but now I'm not so sure at all

Fwiw i dont think fish and dolittle are a likely team either

Not sure how you come up w me/dl as a team tho, even tho u then discounted it

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I want to see where you're coming from. That's why I asked.


I'll be back later.

[MaxwellPuckett]

This isnt coming from a place of frustration or anything, I also might be wrong idk
Not trying to say im upset w ur contributions either

[Dannflor]

This is the primary evidence against DDL/FF

There's no way FF doesn't know or and DDL are one and the same if they're the scum team yknow

I thought it could be faked in the heat of the moment but now I'm not so sure at all

Fwiw i dont think fish and dolittle are a likely team either

Not sure how you come up w me/dl as a team tho, even tho u then discounted it

I thought you and DDL were the team coming into this day phase but not for long after that

I agree that FF/DDL doesn’t seem likely anymore

[RadiantCowbells]

Btw I feel like there's a huge contrast between this and literally any of my scum games and I really don't like that you're talking about lynching me if you clear everyone else then clearing slots for stupid reasons

[Dannflor]

who is talking about lynching you

[RadiantCowbells]

Enter & DDL

[Creature]

Yay this game got 30 new pages

[Creature]

Why aren't you did of creature after 2059?

I barely challenged any reads on 2059 though. Even the Brigitte was just a softdefense.