Newbie 1924 - Game Over

[Micc]

Prodding thenavneet.

Votecount 2.02

Saladman27 (3) -

TTTT, Datisi, thenavneet

thenavneet (1) -

ClearlyClarity

Not Voting (3) -

Saladman27, MaryJoLisa, RCEnigma

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2019-04-18 15:20:00).

[MaryJoLisa]

Oh, almost forgot:

Hey guys!

[thenavneet]

What's the record for how many times a person has been prodded in one game

[thenavneet]

I'm actually at a block because I don't know how to analyze this. No hammer on salad means he's either scum or both scum are in his wagon already. However 2 of 3 voters were nonvoters day 1.

Salad!Scum would mean CC is probably the partner but I'm fairly confident there is 1 between datisi/navneet. TTTT is locktown to me based on the nightkill.

I don't have much outside of that.

I definitely disagree with there being a scum in Datisi and I since she's basically my strongest townread atm so I'll need to ask for elaborations on this from you

[thenavneet]

Because 3 of the 5 votes are cleared or dead unless what I and TTTT picked up on was completely accidental. So CC+Salad or the wagon was 1 on 1 off.

I can't assume both cases simultaneously.

This would be a good time to elaborate on what it is that you picked up so that we can also get an idea. Rn it feels like standing outside a really fancy college party as freshman while the SEniors do shots and beer pong inside

[MaryJoLisa]

MaryJoLisa’s Day 1 Reviewapalooza!

Spoiler: Part 1

Hello, I am Voted and I am shy.

I am too. I'm sure I'm in good company, though.

I'm bummed that none of the newbies had newbscum intros
crossing my fingers for MafiaCiv!

Shame that you rolled Scum :<

That’s not too far off for TTTT

Claiming Hound of the Baskervilles

Vote: VOTE: MKM
I CC! The claim is fake!

No, we actually are Hound of the Baskervilles. I didn’t know they let those roles in the newbie games, so it was a pleasant surprise when I opened my PM.

Hey, sorry I'm late! Didn't expect to get into a game this fast. I'm ready for the exciting ball of electricity.
Also, VOTE: Vedith, for trying to put me under pressure. I see you.

Oh, I really like you. I think you might have rolled scum this game, but I like you anyways.
We’ll see, we’ll see.

Voted, if you call me locktown I'll defend you here. \o/

What does "locktown" mean?

It’s a signal word for false confidence. (I see that the players already explained it properly to you)

I'm scum.

April Fools!

I believe you!

Idk what to think about speculation over who Voted's hypothetical scumbuddy would be, other than that it all kinda evaporates if you allow for the possibility that Scum!Voted isn't Level 0 scum. Based on my one entire game of experience on this website, I'm more inclined to see getting antsy during RVS as a non-tell though.
Vote's staying on Clarity until I find a good home for it or she talks more.

Oh shit. My slot’s suspicious of Clarity. Okay, I’ll take that under advisement.

Fair assessment, I'd like other slots to speak their opinion on voted.

I’m seeing him as town. Wonder what you’re seeing.

Vote's staying on Clarity until I find a good home for it or she talks more.

Go heck yourself

She’s adorable! I’m not ready to scum read her yet.

{TTTT}
{Voted}

I actually like this part. \o/

I didn’t.

Spoiler: Part 2

As for Voted, not finding their actions as definitely scummy, but not necessarily town either. (Would that be a non-tell?)

Interesting...

Waitaminute. Yes, very interesting. Very interesting indeed.

Vegetables are neat

I like kale. I like vegetables in general.

Fair assessment, I'd like other slots to speak their opinion on voted.

Because of this. I figured "slots" referred to other players. If that's not it and I misunderstood it, my bad.

Oh, this explains it. Yes, it’s called NAI.

@Saladman
They are very eager to lynch me and I don't like it. My only survival chance is to find sameone scummier than me. You haven't posted anything relevant yet, so I will try to push you to see if you don't slid. I haven't done samething similar before and I am sorry if I overdo it / mess it up.

What the hell is this?

What *is* this??

Why is no one else other than my own slot paying attention to this post? This could reasonably be seen as a mispost that was intended for the mafia thread.

@Saladman
They are very eager to lynch me and I don't like it. My only survival chance is to find sameone scummier than me. You haven't posted anything relevant yet, so I will try to push you to see if you don't slid. I haven't done samething similar before and I am sorry if I overdo it / mess it up.

Not getting a great vibe off this post

Understable. I don't want to make him look like scum. I merely wish to give him possibility to make himself look like scum.

At the end of the day, you will lynch the most scummy player. Why to wait passivly for this privilege, while I can increase the pool of active players, players you can find scummy?


And yes, I am selfish and would be happier if you lynched random other player than me. Unless he would be PR or good scum reader or not scummy at all.

No. I’m not buying this answer.

Spoiler: Part 3

Well salad is voting me and I'm voting you. What do you think of that? Why do you think I'm still scumreading you? If you were in my shoes do you think you would be reading your slot as town?

Salad is random voting you so it has no weight. You are voting me either because you think that I am scum or because you want to test me. Or both.

I don't know why everyone scum reads me. In every game. Would love to know. Probably because of my inability to make constructive early in game and my strange sense of humour.

I wasn’t scum reading you at the beginning!

Was the text in your role pm red?

Can I ask for explanation? Scum roles are PMed in red?

Oh boy.

I don't know why everyone scum reads me. In every game. Would love to know. Probably because of my inability to make constructive early in game and my strange sense of humour.

IMO, your reaction in 137 and

your eagerness to push a claim on D1

, three days into the topic, makes you seem kinda sus.

Could be just inexperience though. I've been there.

I still am there.

I am almost sure it doesn't, but if this vote hammers Saladman, just don't count it (if it is possible?).
I am aware of fact that I am joining a wagoon on him.
VOTE: Saladman

Putting Saladman in L-1

If you are a PR, would be nice if you tried to defend yourself before revealing.

*****************************************************************


I think it is obvious! He is a scum doing tactic - if I don't post anything, they can't find me scummy! He even haven't joined any vote wagoons!

Vegetables are neat
Inspiring little lad anxious Saladman is sad
Cause his votecount is three
And that is very bad
VOTE: RCEnigma No true buddy/friend would call their friendship a deal.

This is not a reason! We are already out of RVS! Do you have

any

kind of reads?

If you are unsure, start with me, my posts have usually slight scummy flavour (knowing from ToS) so it should be easier. I guess.

Don't want to make him claim. I just want to make him give ammo for scum readers.

So may I ask why you aren’t trying to play to wincon?
Your gambit to frame salad isn’t going to do anything if you announce what it is.

Yup yup!

Spoiler: Part 4

My guess is that she believed you were trying to frame him and push a lynch rather than make him talk. The former is scummy.

Very scummy.

People I wouldn't lynch as of now are TTTT and Vedith. TTTT because this gamestate is progressing at glacial pace and from what I've seen of him activity wise he makes his presence count. Vedith for entertainment factor because his presence will hopefully lead to me being more motivated to catch up more often. Pretty much anyone else is fair game.

EBWOP Add Datisi to the list of people I wouldn't lynch today. Succinct and to the point. I like her posts.

Yup, coming around to your way of thinking.

So salad + nav were already on the wagon when Vedith backed off voted to join mine and TTTT backed off Voted soon after. Only recently did he rejoin voted. I don't think it's to frame me on a town voted flip.

If that's the case he could have done the same with Voted/salad to set voted up day 2. Salad is looking like the compromise lynch right now and scum could use that if both salad and voted are town to chain Lynch.

I think I’ll sheep you if I get lost and confused. Please don’t turn out to be scum.

This will be the last time I comment on it.

The chance that you rolled scum is the same that anyone else rolled scum. 1 of 8. That's what I meant with my original statement and clarification.

I have indeed rolled scum twice before this. I actually have rolled town once as well but I went inactive in that game. I was Town Doctor too and I had never been Town Doc before and was super excited to try it out. But stuff happened and I didn't have time to post here. C'est la vie.

I'm sensing that you are slightly frustrated that I haven't moved my RVS vote. Which is fair I get that. I did state earlier that I thought your interaction with saladman seemed slightly SvS and seemed like you were coaching him. Ironically enough you have put forth a similar hypothesis about Voted and their scum partner being an SE coaching them to defend themselves. Which is interesting. Is it out of the realm of possibility that scum!RCE is pushing a noob scum + SE coach scum narrative because subconsciously he knows that's the case? Food for thought!

You come off as kind of defensive here.

I've already said I'll ignore it. However, if you yourself aren't scum then 2 of the other 8 slots are. A random vote to start the day is more likely to land on town than scum and you haven't done anything to slim those numbers down so to think that your Rand vote landed on scum is poor reasoning.

It wasn't a big deal, but you felt the need to justify that slip, then made it seem as though RCE was pushing it.

See! I told you guys that Clearly isn’t scum! I agree with all of this.

Spoiler: Part 5

Btw, @Clarity, what is your opinion on Salad, if I may ask? I'm kinda curious.

Still needs to post more.

Townreading him rn

Oh. Hrm. I thought we were on the same page here. I’m scum reading Salad. You’re town reading him?

I feel like hardly anybody's interacted with me so far, and it's making me lonely

That's cause you're scum

Nuh uh.

And Voted/Salad as the Scum team isn't something I'm against.

Why's that? I'm skeptical that they'd have ended up in a 1V1 so early on if so

I guess that could kind of explain Voted's awkward 137 but that's the only real thing I can think of offhand

Yeah 137 is a huge problem for me. It sure looks a lot like SvS and an accidental mispost. In fact, if there was another scum team, I’d think they’d leap on that post as an opportunity to draw fire away from them.

Sigh. I have a feeling that if Salad were scum, he would be more agressive than he is now. He would defend himself more. With Salad failing as a substitutional lynch for me, I will have to find out sameone else.

So, VOTE: MKM, do you have same reads on sameone else than me or Salad?

Uhm, yeah no.

Ok so there is now a mechanical reason TTTT and voted are not together that we can talk about tomorrow. Siri remind me.

Okay. Reminding you tomorrow to talk about the mechanical reason TTTT and voted are not together.

Yay, I made it to the frustrating rank! Props to me, for being the worst mafia player on this forum!

No, no, no. Don’t say that. Whether you’re scum or town, you’ve been trying to play the hand you’ve been dealt the best you can. Nothing wrong with that! Newbie games are for making mistakes and not having people threaten to policy lynch you over them. Just learn from this game and try to improve.

Spoiler: Part 6

I got too anxious and I skipped to the end of day to see the flip. Now I know who swung that night and who got NKed. I’d have voted for Voted as well. He was the logical pick if not Saladman.

[ClearlyClarity]

Mary!

[TTTT]

Oh, almost forgot:

Hey guys!

doesn't count
has to be in your first post
besides that tell doesn't apply to your meta

[MaryJoLisa]

Mary!

I'm glad to see you!

Oh, almost forgot:

Hey guys!

doesn't count
has to be in your first post
besides that tell doesn't apply to your meta

[TTTT]

For whatever it's worth...
I'm not sure that the mystery RCE is talking about is the same thing I'm talking about
bc I don't think I should be conftown from his POV
unless he's seeing something different

[Datisi]

Maybe SE's should start explaining what they see, this is becoming more and more confusing for me

[MaryJoLisa]

Maybe SE's should start explaining what they see, this is becoming more and more confusing for me

Agree.

[TTTT]

Maybe SE's should start explaining what they see, this is becoming more and more confusing for me

it has to do with possible town PRs
so I won't be going into detail
sorry

[TTTT]

Nav - I'm not so sure, he seems town but also scummy at the same time.
CC - Not so sure.

Ok. Can you tell us more about these two?
why are you conflicted?
where specifically do they look town?
and where scum?

@saladman
still waiting for this

[MaryJoLisa]

Maybe SE's should start explaining what they see, this is becoming more and more confusing for me

So basically, Voted did this thing in post 137 that kind of surprised me because it looked like he was either sending his scum buddy a message in the wrong window, or he was looking to cast shade on Saladman (still as though he was scum). No one was really standing out for me until post 137.

Voted went into defense mode and he tried to shake the wagon off him. I believed he was scum, and that if he had an experienced partner, then that partner would be coaching him on how to move the wagon onto someone else. This reinforced the Saladman!Scum narrative in my mind because Saladman wouldn’t be in a position to give that much coaching. Also, I think Saladman's entrance may have read like there was some tension there. Maybe like he was nervous and trying to act natural (or maybe he's just new here and trying to get a lay of the land).

Saladman was asked for some reads, but he floundered with that. The only thing is that I didn’t see any SEs model a reads list up until that point. RCE had the best version, which was really just an ordered list.

I have to finish reading days 1 and 2 and then I’ll give my reads.

[TTTT]

@MJL
why'd you decide to read and post thoughts without looking at the flips first?

[MaryJoLisa]

I wanted to play the game. I got impatient, though.

[MaryJoLisa]

@Datisi would you mind terribly removing your vote from Saladman? Just for the time being. I have had bad experiences with accidental hammers (and on purpose hammers as well). You can always put it right back.

[Datisi]

UNVOTE: Salad
No problem. I still find him scummy though :p

[TTTT]

@MJL
why'd you decide to read and post thoughts without looking at the flips first?

I wanted to play the game. I got impatient, though.

ok
but why not click on the dead players spoiler in the opening post
to help guide your thinking as you review?
what is the benefit of going in blind when replacing in on day2?

[TTTT]

to be 100% clear
I'm TRing your slot
but that Reviewapalooza post isn't sitting well

[MaryJoLisa]

to be 100% clear
I'm TRing your slot
but that Reviewapalooza post isn't sitting well

That's fine. I am what I am.

[TTTT]

salad is still a good lynch
but I like these odds too
VOTE: Nav

[TTTT]

That's fine. I am what I am.

don't ever forget who was your 1st BFF

[TTTT]

but for realsies
can you explain a little better your thinking in not reading the spoilers?