In post 198, Ryno56 wrote:*ahem*
RYNO'S MASTER PLAN:
My aim was to push a scum into frustration by accusing them with little/no reason. Lavender was the victim, and I think it payed off. They very quickly became fixated on WHY I was reading them as scum, which comes across to me as the 'scum newbie annoyed they got caught out early in the game' and they wanted to know if I genuinely was reading them (and if so, HOW ON EARTH) or the self-assuring knowledge that I was bullshitting. All of which seems like scum-thinking to me. Plus the lynch votes probably made them nervous/backed into a corner. There's a tendency to run away with worry - 'oh no, i'm suspected from the start, i'm going to get lynched'. A townie would be much more focussed on making their own reads. See the following...
'Ryno, My eager to please thing you have of me, is it because of my answering questions?'
'Can you tell me what made you think that of me?'
'Ok, but can you to tell me where you get this feeling from?'
'That's quite bold, can you tell me where I have been scummy?'
'Well I really want to ask why Ryno has any big evidence for voting me and such. But they seem very inclined not to give that information.'
'So why say, let others read their take and show everyone else, and not just let yourself reveal your read?
I hereby rest my case against Lavender. Although, I would suggest that with only 2 scum, we don't need to lynch until F5.
Therefore, UNVOTE: Lavender
Ryno: "Lavender wagon ain't going through, let's go on Whig instead"In post 199, Marcus325 wrote:Looking through the posts I find whig and godmid slightly scummy as their posts seem to just be content and not really contributing.
Slight scum lean on uap2 due to info stated in post 106
Not sure on ryno and lavender but leaning more town than scum
Robotnick's posts were gathering info more although they had limited posts so slight town lean on Robot/Denmon
I'm reading mostly town on the worst and shoshin
VOTE: whig
Or questioned the wagon?In post 139, Marcus325 wrote:Well Lavender has moved to L-2 reasonably quickly
In post 140, Marcus325 wrote:@Shoshin reason for voting Lavendar?
swipe left for bothIn post 254, Marcus325 wrote:If you were scum and wanted lavendar gone
probablyIn post 254, Marcus325 wrote:would you have voted instead of warning how close to lynch we were?
probablyIn post 254, Marcus325 wrote: Or questioned the wagon?In post 140, Marcus325 wrote:@Shoshin reason for voting Lavendar?
is this scumslipIn post 255, Marcus325 wrote:Lol I just got what you meant with 'ryno is black or something'
The pot calling the kettle black is a figure of speech meaning you are pointing something out about someone that is also true about yourself
How is that scumslip?In post 257, PvtUrist wrote:is this scumslipIn post 255, Marcus325 wrote:Lol I just got what you meant with 'ryno is black or something'
The pot calling the kettle black is a figure of speech meaning you are pointing something out about someone that is also true about yourself
You are correct in the first line here that it's perfectly likely for two town aligned members to reach the same conclusions even if those conclusions are incorrect. However, that would be if they were using the same sort of logic to arrive to said conclusion, which is a point you seem to be missing with your second line. If you and urap2 were both basing your rationale off of townreading each other and the same 3 players, the two of you coming up with the same scum team is again perfectly likely. However, that's your rationale, not urap2's. urap2 is mostly basing his opinions off of everyone's first posts, which is completely different from how you are basing yours. As such, the whole "25% chance" argument is completely unrelated to this situation.In post 209, the worst wrote:regarding your first comment:
there's no necessity for urap2 and i to be talented scumhunters to reach the same conclusion at all
you're looking at a list of 9 people. if 3 people are townreadable, and the two people involved townread each other, there's a 25% chance of them identifying the same scumteam.
I would not quite call it pocketing or sheeping. Both of you are presenting your cases independently, so I see it as far more eliquant then that. I already presented my reasoning for being skeptical that you are both town who ended up with the same conclusions.In post 209, the worst wrote: do you think urap2 is scum pocketing me by following my reads to reach this conclusion? vice versa; do you think i'm scum pocketing urap2 by sheeping his scumteam suggestion?
the effort you're going to on this page is set up in a way so as to make both of our slots look bad to other players ("positioning"), rather than genuinely trying to sort which of us may or may not be scum.
So here lies part of the issue as a whole. I have had a fair bit of experience with forum mafia in the past, but I am very much new to this site and it's meta. Even though from my point of view I see some of the behavior from you and urap2 as scummy and the precise nature of the wagon is a bit of a red flag, due to my inexperience with the site, I am still forced to consider the possibility that we are all town I am presenting myself as scummier then I should and that your reads are more accurate then mine. As such, I am trying to receive input from players who do have past experience with both of you.In post 209, the worst wrote: the way you appeal to shoshin in 207 is also a leading question which is another instance of positioning
i'm really bad at alienating people, and especially being alienating in newbie games makes me feel physically sick (i can link IC/"Inexperience Challenged" meta as both alignments to back this up. urap + urist are both previous victims of my SE/IC play. sho is also aware it's pretty exceptional for me to be pushed into a situation where i alienate players and it usually involves a kind of personal slight
fwiw this was a reference to a game where I recently rolled scum vs. Urist (and urap (and even shoshin technically!!)) and Urist correctly scumread me off tone like 3 posts into the game
I don't think it's fair that you consider that just because urap and I took different approaches to reaching the same two main scumreads there is necessarily scum amongst us. On the contrary I think you digging in your heels here when we're obviously absolutely different players comes from someone who's been caught out peddling a lie and needs to back it up.
I wanted to question it before I made assumptions as I never have seen the greeting tell before. I also don't think it is a very strong tell and that we should rely on other reasons to find who is red. You mentioned you had experience in forum mafia, right? Maybe the greeting tell doesn't apply to us because we aren't complete noobs, but I haven't looked too much into this to say it doesn't.In post 266, Godmid wrote:@DENMON Your overall reaction to the greeting read seems very different from mine and you seem far less skeptical of it. Can you give any more insights to your thoughts around it?
My point being is that I don't like the language you are using. I can definitely see you as being red, using common phrases as an effort to make yourself green. The fact you kind of ignored that part in my post makes you a bit suspicious in my opinion O.oIn post 246, the worst wrote:It's not all that common here but it's certainly a thing.
Yup, I was gonna read it after my Slay the Spire run if I was in the mood. then lost the run in the next room.
not trueIn post 265, Godmid wrote:urap2 is mostly basing his opinions off of everyone's first posts
Sorry what did you want me to reply to?In post 269, DENMON wrote:My point being is that I don't like the language you are using. I can definitely see you as being red, using common phrases as an effort to make yourself green. The fact you kind of ignored that part in my post makes you a bit suspicious in my opinion O.oIn post 246, the worst wrote:It's not all that common here but it's certainly a thing.
Yup, I was gonna read it after my Slay the Spire run if I was in the mood. then lost the run in the next room.
Other opinions on this?
My opinion is that TW is town, and that common phrases are exactly that - common.In post 245, DENMON wrote:I also find the worst's reaction as a bit odd. Phrases such as "if I was scum" or "I'm bad at alienating people" seem like common phrases that reds may use to seem greenish in their posts. He also said that he will read the post later, then proceeded to talk about the post 7 minutes later. Very odd, hmmm O.o
