Starcraft Mafia: Legacy of the Void [Game Over]

[Krazy]

Votecount 1.4

Liger_Zero(3)

~ Shiro(4), Volxen MJL Combo Pack(9), Flavor Leaf(93)

chennisden(2)

~ Alchemist21(29), Hydra TBD(12)

Shiro(1)

~ Liger_Zero(91)

Shadowlesscloud(1)

~ u r a person 2(7)

Flavor Leaf(1)

~ Iconeum(15)


Not Voting (8): Vedith(100), Powerpuff Girls(80), Yahmose(1), Almost50(37), Shadowlesscloud(38), chennisden(11), RCEnigma(48), Cerberus v666(7)

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-04-23 14:40:18)

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Prodding Yahmose.

FLAVOR

[Iconeum]

Well not self resolving but I'm sure a kind Samaritan is out there willing to carry out the will of -Protoss deity here- as planned.

Do you think the BP claim was scummy or not? Do you think shadow is scum or not? If the answer to either question is yes, then you should be pushing for a lynch here.
If the answer to either question is no, then the claim doesn't have to be tested as that would waste 2 powers.

I don't see why you would even want the claim to resolve at all because of this.

I Role fish as town more than i do as scum.

I don’t need to Role fish as scum, I’m just good at hunting PR’s

Oh ok good to know.

VOTE: RCEnigma

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE: I think BP is a scummy claim regardless. But it can be tested tomorrow so there are better options probably. Not named Liger preferrably.

Then we can let an investigative handle it tonight and have vig shoot elsewhere.

Looks like you already answered this question... Why are you so keen on using town powers of which you don't even know for sure they exist to clear a slot you find scummy?

Both a vig and an investigative are better used elsewhere, and I find the lack of pushing on what you describe as a scummy claim interesting.

[RCEnigma]

How do you know I don't know they exist?

[RCEnigma]

Why are you against confirming his role?

[RCEnigma]

Both a vig and an investigative are better used elsewhere, and I find the lack of pushing on what you describe as a scummy claim interesting.

How interesting? Enough to dance?

[Iconeum]

How do you know I don't know they exist?

It's a bit of an assumption that you don't know for a fact the existence of an investigative role with the ability to clear a slot, AND a vig.

Not to mention the risk that putting an investigative on someone brings with it (blockers, bus, etc)
Having a vig shoot is nonsense either way, because if it's scum BP you achieve nothing, and if it's town BP you give scum the chance to finish him off. If there is a town BP, then its not a long stretch to think there could be a scum Strongman in play to counter. Clearing him as town gives little benefit imo.

Hence, either he's scum for the claim and we lynch or he's town and we leave him be, having scum guess he's actually BP and let them test it out.

[Iconeum]

Both a vig and an investigative are better used elsewhere, and I find the lack of pushing on what you describe as a scummy claim interesting.

How interesting? Enough to dance?

I don't like to dance, but I'm getting married soon so I have more stress about dancing then usual.

[Liger_Zero]

This game really doesn't feel like nothing is happening

[Liger_Zero]

Like I am reading it. And I don't know if this is just my general mood but I get a feeling of lack of energy just from reading the game environment. Anyone have any steroids we can shoot into it and get this thing rolling?

[Iconeum]

Let's play.

What do you think or feel is the intention behind RCE's plan to deal with Shadow?
And do you think Shadow's claim is scum or not?

[Liger_Zero]

Vote:Liger

This is scum. That back and forth with flavor and the way he backed away with (tell me to ignore you bs) was beyond awful

This to me was the scummiest vote on me and want to have some people give input on Shiro.
I know not much there, but wondering what people are thinking of Shiro even if its just "not enough to process".

To me I read this and my immediate mind went to looking at the way this was framed. First you have beginning with "this is scum" stating that theres certainty in that statement. Then goes into a statement on what happened, and then framing of how it went with "he backed away with (tell me to ignore you bs)" which to me was neither how that went down nor how that could be perceived in the slightest even if you thought I was scum. Then last part was again a part of this statement of opinion that doesn't need to be qualified it just "was beyond awful", as though it was self evident.

This just read like someone framing things as scummy without actually considering them to be actually scummy.

[Liger_Zero]

Let's play.

What do you think or feel is the intention behind RCE's plan to deal with Shadow?
And do you think Shadow's claim is scum or not?

I don't really care about either of these if I am gonna be honest.

[Liger_Zero]

Minor scumread on Cereberus. Something seems out of place. Not sure what it is yet.

[Iconeum]

Vote:Liger

This is scum. That back and forth with flavor and the way he backed away with (tell me to ignore you bs) was beyond awful

This to me was the scummiest vote on me and want to have some people give input on Shiro.
I know not much there, but wondering what people are thinking of Shiro even if its just "not enough to process".

To me I read this and my immediate mind went to looking at the way this was framed. First you have beginning with "this is scum" stating that theres certainty in that statement. Then goes into a statement on what happened, and then framing of how it went with "he backed away with (tell me to ignore you bs)" which to me was neither how that went down nor how that could be perceived in the slightest even if you thought I was scum. Then last part was again a part of this statement of opinion that doesn't need to be qualified it just "was beyond awful", as though it was self evident.

This just read like someone framing things as scummy without actually considering them to be actually scummy.

It's really little to go on, with only 4 posts by Shiro and only 1 of those are usefull.
Does explain his scumread, and it's pretty straightforward.

Low effort, yes. Scum? I don't think so.

[Iconeum]

Let's play.

What do you think or feel is the intention behind RCE's plan to deal with Shadow?
And do you think Shadow's claim is scum or not?

I don't really care about either of these if I am gonna be honest.

IMO it's the most important event (the claim) that has happened so far.
There's a PR claim, and people have different opinions on the matter. Probably worth rereading if you don't care about it right now

[Liger_Zero]

It's really little to go on, with only 4 posts by Shiro and only 1 of those are usefull.Does explain his scumread, and it's pretty straightforward.Low effort, yes. Scum? I don't think so.

That's kind of why I wanted to see more from Shiro in case this was just low effort or scum framing.

[Iconeum]

Minor scumread on Cereberus. Something seems out of place. Not sure what it is yet.

Overly defensive?

[Liger_Zero]

Minor scumread on Cereberus. Something seems out of place. Not sure what it is yet.

Overly defensive?

Nope. I get the idea it is in his line of questioning though. Still can't explain it any deeper.

[RCEnigma]

How do you know I don't know they exist?

It's a bit of an assumption that you don't know for a fact the existence of an investigative role with the ability to clear a slot, AND a vig.

Not to mention the risk that putting an investigative on someone brings with it (blockers, bus, etc)
Having a vig shoot is nonsense either way, because if it's scum BP you achieve nothing, and if it's town BP you give scum the chance to finish him off. If there is a town BP, then its not a long stretch to think there could be a scum Strongman in play to counter. Clearing him as town gives little benefit imo.

Hence, either he's scum for the claim and we lynch or he's town and we leave him be, having scum guess he's actually BP and let them test it out.

And if the setup is multiball? Would you still follow that line of thinking?

[Iconeum]

Why speculate about multiball in the first place?

[RCEnigma]

There will be at least eleven town players and at least three mafia players.

[RCEnigma]

Though I don't generally see bp used as a third party claim on here.

[Iconeum]

*i suppose a survivor would make sense to get BP, but same goes for a SK*

either way, both options point towards lynching over dedicating town power

[RCEnigma]

So is your issue that I think he's resolvable and am looking elsewhere or that you don't think the claim was scummy?