Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

[RadiantCowbells]

If you townread me would you be willing to vote Wizard today?

[northsidegal]

no

[RadiantCowbells]

rip

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh hey look at the time it's 8:50 what an exciting time to be alive

[Buki]

RC

why cop Egix over me though? Is it only because Egix is better town than me?

ain't I more scummy in your pov?

[RadiantCowbells]

You're self resolving

[RadiantCowbells]

Wizards scum you die immediately after

He's not my reasons for scumreading you don't really apply

[Buki]

Hm, I see

Is Shoshin in L-2 or something?

Should her claim already? If we need to wait for people to come in, put her on L-1, give intent to hammer, and wait her to claim, it's going to take lots of time.

If she already claims we can speed up the process.

[RadiantCowbells]

Let's give her time to be all that she can be if she's town.

[Shoshin]

Response to NSG:

Spoiler:

perhaps saying it wasn't "warranted" was a poor choice of words, although i still think there's an element of it there. i think my central point there was that it felt more like something you'd do as an imitation of your towngame than something that's actually natural. like, when you say "more votes" and vote someone, i expect it to actually be because you have something, no matter how minor, that you think is worth going off of. the random creature wagon to me seemed more just like an opportunity to pretend to be going for early wagons and gaining information than actually doing that.

did you learn anything from the creature wagon? was anything gained?

I don't imitate my town game as scum.

I was sheeping RC in voting Creature, so it wasn't entirely "random." I don't see why you'd read it as "an opportunity to pretend" instead of "null."

a better descriptor might be "unnatural" (and i've been calling things weird since my second game on site, where it was a subject of a lot of discussion)

why bother asking RC who's scum instead of just sheeping him on his vote? and if you had read enough to see the context of his vote on eyes and figured that it wasn't really a true vote on a scumread, it seems to me like that would be enough reading to do something other than just ask RC that.

as a whole i think my problem and what i'm attempting to get across here is that while i feel that normally when looking at your play there's either some internal thought process that i can see clear evidence of or there's classic shoshin town traits (direct questioning, hard defending townreads, etc.), i haven't seen that from your play this game so far.

341 i suppose i expect you to have your own thoughts on CoA and the question feels somewhat redundant. if RC were scumreading CoA i would expect him to make it clear – i guess i just don't think you asked a very good question. if you had your own doubts about CoA's alignment, i might expect you to raise some of those doubts. if you outright disagreed, i might expect a "why is CoA town, RC?"

I didn't want to sheep RC on his vote because he was scumreading me at the time & that meant his current reads were bad. So I wanted his take on the game under the assumption I was town, as those reads would be more likely to be accurate.

Yes, lots of my traits (direct questioning, defending townreads) aren't evident in this game yet because I've been absent & lazy. I'm around now so you'll see the questions & maybe defending if I get strong enough townreads.

When I made 341, I was townreading your few posts but also concerned because I know you lurk as scum, and I was curious about RC's read on you because he prides himself so much on being able to read you. You're probably right it's a bad question but sometimes I ask those as town so I dunno what to tell you on that front.

On another note, I gave an early townread on Baezu that you agreed with. Did you find that agreement towny? If not, why not?

i didn't mean 1v1 in the sense that i'm 1v1-ing you, i meant it in the sense that one of my reasons is explicitly sort of based on my being right elsewhere on something that you disagree on.

i think basically nobody makes up meta as scum.

You're wrong that people don't make up meta as scum & I say this because I've done it before.

Maybe you're right about Buki, I don't know. But I do know this much, he's disagreeing with me about meta stuff that both you & RC should know Buki's wrong about.

[Shoshin]

NSG, if you assume I'm town, who are the scum?

[Shoshin]

Buki, if you assume I'm town, who are the scum?

[Buki]

I don't really make up meta as scum Shoshin

I just pedal bs reads/reasons

you would be surprised by how much bs you can pedal as scum

[Buki]

Buki, if you assume I'm town, who are the scum?

Baezu is a good lynch

[Buki]

One of Baezu/Shoshin is probably scum

I'm good with this

[Shoshin]

Why Baezu?

[RadiantCowbells]

Veto Baezu

[Shoshin]

I wish you would veto lynching me.

[RadiantCowbells]

I wish I townread you.

[Buki]

Why Baezu?

I'll answer this but I just want to say that this is bad posting because I already explained my Baezu read and by experience, I know that when you're scum, you kind of don't give a fuck to other people long posts, so you just skim through them

I'll look again but I think shoshin was posting as well when I made my commentaries about Baezu, so if that means you simply skimmed my posts when you were supposedly trying to sort me, it's a negative point.

My post about my Baezu read:

Ok, then the first thing is, she actually had already read posts beyond around #132, but ok, let's suppose she wants to re:read the whole game:

VOTE: Pretentious

Not really caring if his proposal makes sense, it just feels not genuine/staged. On one hand he thought about it after he got his role PM and suggests it here later, on the other hand he realizes just 1-2 minutes later after posting his fault with the Macho Cop mechanic. I don't buy that. Also I just hate WIFOM right at the beginning.

This seems scummy to me

^ She hadn't said anything about my slot until now, where my slot credibility is being questioned

I feel very uncomfortable with how close I am to L-1.

<3
UNVOTE:

She had already read this post before, and hadn't unvoted Shoshin or said anything about it

So RC is basically confirmed scum at this point.

He's far too good to try to lynch someone that he's not scumreading, and if he were scumreading Eyes he wouldn't get mad. Plus the way he got pissed off is scum indicative (he's fed up with people focusing on him and getting him lynched as scum, extra attention wouldn't be negative for him as a townie).

If somehow RC is town, then 1. he's bad and 2. my scumread reverts to Eyes. But that's unlikely.

My other scumreads are Creature and Egix. Game solved.

Wut

"it's so obvious scum lol, I'm fine with lynching"

RC wtf is going on this game? Scum is just rising to the surface so easily...

"I'm fine with lynching whoever is getting wagoned boys"

We doing Sufi?

I dunno what she means here

[Buki]

Also, all these new posts of Baezu are bad:

How do we pr vent both docs from targeting the same person?

I’m pretty sure one of wiz/pretentious isn’t a doc, maybe neither of them are

How do we pr vent both docs from targeting the same person?

We have them roll 1dx

Most possible equity of saves and doesn't give scum a clear target

Give me your town list, please

[RadiantCowbells]

NSG can you give me a full readslist

[Buki]

Wait

I just re:read Baezu early posts

that thing is scum.

[Buki]

She is simply getting behind RC/pocketing him

it's not even subtly.

RC, what's your experience with Baezu and what do you think that its her impression of you?

[Buki]

She doesn't even know what to say about the game so she comes with "hey RC, are we doing Wiz?" and "Hey RC, give me your town list", what are really meaningless and out of context posts for a townie to make right now. Also she begins to talk about the claims and about mechanics, but like, it's just pointless comments that had already even been discussed/answered.

Baezu might be even scummier than Shoshin tbh