Newbie 1924 - Game Over

[thenavneet]

That was funny ngl

[thenavneet]

^unfortunate page top there

[ClearlyClarity]

It's rather late here and I'm pretty tired, but I'll post a couple of my thoughts before I crash. Both of these posts make me very suspicious of CC - she never answered the first one, but she did post later in Day 2. Not reading or ignoring the question? Same for the vote, after TTTT posted not to vote hastly.

Like MJL pointed out, that was a newbie slip that I remedied immediately. I was also inactive sitewide during most of D2 and only had enough time to get my vote on my top scumread before the day ended

[ClearlyClarity]

Formally take it back.

Yes, top SR. I'd vote Clarity if the day was ending in 10 minutes.

What happened to being your top townread only two posts before in your ISO?

[TTTT]

go back and read MJL'S twilight reaction...

While it's still twilight, give us some good reads to go by so we can catch the real scum. Even if you're wrong or you're not feeling sure, just tell us what you think and why you think it.

Your avatar is great.

compared to Datisi's reaction 2 posts prior...

No matter what you flip now, don't give up on the game. We're here to learn, the next one will be better.

@MJL
why the assumption of a town flip?
he did kinda hint at it but it wasn't 100% clear

[TTTT]

@Clarity
everyone is SRing you to some extent
please provide a full reads list now

[MaryJoLisa]

go back and read MJL'S twilight reaction...

While it's still twilight, give us some good reads to go by so we can catch the real scum. Even if you're wrong or you're not feeling sure, just tell us what you think and why you think it.

Your avatar is great.

compared to Datisi's reaction 2 posts prior...

No matter what you flip now, don't give up on the game. We're here to learn, the next one will be better.

@MJL
why the assumption of a town flip?
he did kinda hint at it but it wasn't 100% clear

Sorry, I must withhold. That's a trade secret. If you were to search, you would find a consistent trend all my games, though.

[MaryJoLisa]

Formally take it back.

Yes, top SR. I'd vote Clarity if the day was ending in 10 minutes.

What happened to being your top townread only two posts before in your ISO?

That's gone now. I'm sorry. Salad and also RCE both flipped green, so those reads had to go in the trash. I have to wonder if you rolled scum this game. If you did, I'm honor bound to lynch you for the scum that you are, but I will happy play another game with you in the future even if that's the case. Hugs!

[ClearlyClarity]

Both MJL's and Nav's posts feel like they're setting up for me as the lynch but nav is the only one I feel confident about

His posts D3 (increased frequency & change to a more confident tonality) have been giving me off vibes

CC has done nothing but zero in on me for the past few days. Probably because I'm an easy lynch to push activity wise. I'm pretty sure I see what MJL is setting up for with her posts so far today. It's a bold move for sure but yeah they're both pretty much lockScum for me at this point (is that a thing?)

How does pressuring you make me lockscum? Or make MJL lockscum for that matter?

[ClearlyClarity]

Formally take it back.

Yes, top SR. I'd vote Clarity if the day was ending in 10 minutes.

What happened to being your top townread only two posts before in your ISO?

That's gone now. I'm sorry. Salad and also RCE both flipped green, so those reads had to go in the trash. I have to wonder if you rolled scum this game. If you did, I'm honor bound to lynch you for the scum that you are, but I will happy play another game with you in the future even if that's the case. Hugs!

No hard feelings.

[ClearlyClarity]

Normally I wouldn't mind being the lynch but this is D3 MyLo I'm not going to lose this game from scumreads on me as flimsy as the ones made on me

I'd like everyone to tell me

with specific examples

why my play is "lockscum"

[MaryJoLisa]

Lockscum? I didn't use those words.

[thenavneet]

Both MJL's and Nav's posts feel like they're setting up for me as the lynch but nav is the only one I feel confident about

His posts D3 (increased frequency & change to a more confident tonality) have been giving me off vibes

CC has done nothing but zero in on me for the past few days. Probably because I'm an easy lynch to push activity wise. I'm pretty sure I see what MJL is setting up for with her posts so far today. It's a bold move for sure but yeah they're both pretty much lockScum for me at this point (is that a thing?)

How does pressuring you make me lockscum? Or make MJL lockscum for that matter?

Pressuring me doesn't inherently make you look scum. Pressuring JUST me though. That's dodgy.

LockScum from my POV btw. There is a very clear reason for my change in confidence and tonality.

G2H I'd lynch MJL today before you but given that I'm fairly certain you're both scum I won't be too picky about it.

[Datisi]

Normally I wouldn't mind being the lynch but this is D3 MyLo I'm not going to lose this game from scumreads on me as flimsy as the ones made on me

I'd like everyone to tell me

with specific examples

why my play is "lockscum"

@Clarity
everyone is SRing you to some extent
please provide a full reads list now

Well, for one...

[TTTT]

Yep

[TTTT]

It's rather late here and I'm pretty tired, but I'll post a couple of my thoughts before I crash. Both of these posts make me very suspicious of CC - she never answered the first one, but she did post later in Day 2. Not reading or ignoring the question? Same for the vote, after TTTT posted not to vote hastly.

Like MJL pointed out, that was a newbie slip that I remedied immediately. I was also inactive sitewide during most of D2 and only had enough time to get my vote on my top scumread before the day ended

where did MJL point this out?

[TTTT]

Formally take it back.

Yes, top SR. I'd vote Clarity if the day was ending in 10 minutes.

What happened to being your top townread only two posts before in your ISO?

where does MJL ever say you are her top TR?

[TTTT]

go back and read MJL'S twilight reaction...

While it's still twilight, give us some good reads to go by so we can catch the real scum. Even if you're wrong or you're not feeling sure, just tell us what you think and why you think it.

Your avatar is great.

compared to Datisi's reaction 2 posts prior...

No matter what you flip now, don't give up on the game. We're here to learn, the next one will be better.

@MJL
why the assumption of a town flip?
he did kinda hint at it but it wasn't 100% clear

Sorry, I must withhold. That's a trade secret. If you were to search, you would find a consistent trend all my games, though.

a consistent trend of you knowing a player's alignment pre-flip?
No, you need a better explanation than "trade secret"

[Datisi]

who are you leaning as the team?

Clearly Clarity. No team yet. My slot was suspicious of her and it came out that they know each other very well off the forum. He may have seen something in her posts that is a tell for him.

Just to clarify, this question meant "who do you think is the scum team?"

[MaryJoLisa]

go back and read MJL'S twilight reaction...

While it's still twilight, give us some good reads to go by so we can catch the real scum. Even if you're wrong or you're not feeling sure, just tell us what you think and why you think it.

Your avatar is great.

compared to Datisi's reaction 2 posts prior...

No matter what you flip now, don't give up on the game. We're here to learn, the next one will be better.

@MJL
why the assumption of a town flip?
he did kinda hint at it but it wasn't 100% clear

Sorry, I must withhold. That's a trade secret. If you were to search, you would find a consistent trend all my games, though.

a consistent trend of you knowing a player's alignment pre-flip?
No, you need a better explanation than "trade secret"

Once he was lynched, he sounded like someone who had legitimately been mislynched. but I didn't know with certainty that that was the case. Going into the lynch, I was 99.9% certain he was scum. I mean, all the scum-signals were there: disengaged from the conversation, not doing a lot of scum hunting, claiming VT (nice safe roll for newbscum to choose), and there was a sense of giving up like he'd been caught and he had no defense for it. I saw these things in Saladman.

In twilight, he seemed genuine in his reaction. I take people at face value and grain of salt when I can make a case that they're probably telling the truth, but may possibly still be lying. I figured if he *was* town, he might as well get out what he wanted to say for future consideration.

I was gobsmacked that he flipped green.

[Datisi]

How is him claiming VT a scum-sign? I understand new players might not realize it, but since it was highly likely we were going to lynch him anyway, wouldn't a scum-sign be claiming a PR to get them to cc? Besides, at the time you thought RCE was scum, if he were scum alongside Salad wouldn't he instruct him to claim PR?

[MaryJoLisa]

How is him claiming VT a scum-sign? I understand new players might not realize it, but since it was highly likely we were going to lynch him anyway, wouldn't a scum-sign be claiming a PR to get them to cc? Besides, at the time you thought RCE was scum, if he were scum alongside Salad wouldn't he instruct him to claim PR?

I think that would be an educated scum move, but a newbie-to-the-game may be more inclined to play it safe. I would play it safe. I got the impression that Saladman may not have a lot of experience with FM in general. I suggested in my reads list that if he was scum and RCE was his partner, that I would have expected better coaching.

[TTTT]

I feel like there must be a claiming strategy we should be using today

[TTTT]

like I thought we were column A
because someone softed and didn't die Night1
but maybe not

[TTTT]

@NAV
I'm not sure we can progress much more without you explicitly stating the guilty on Clarity that you've been hinting at
you should go ahead and out
if you are just faking for reactions out that too plz