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Post Post #425 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:24 am

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In post 417, teacher wrote:
In post 311, Lavender wrote:I'm not sure what 1905 IC vibe and choo choo vibe are.
I haven’t actually checked but my guess is that if you go into completed newby games, the worst was a Town!IC (a special ‘teaching’ SE role that has since been retired) in game 1905. Choo choo I take as a reference to scum joining a town wagon. But I’m just sharing how I read this.
Sorry just wanted to repeat. This is a reference to Treestump Express where Urist correctly scumread me off tone 5 minutes into the game so I powerlynched him.

He's saying I remind him of my town!IC play in 1905 not my scumplay in Tree Stump express.
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Post Post #426 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:28 am

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In post 419, teacher wrote:Btw I’ll echo two and uraps thoughts on each other : I townread both, but I have seen both powerscum like this. For me their activity levels always merit a day one pass, and tbh I’m quite comfortable with BoPing them as the game progresses.

*BoP=burden of proficiency. If a good and widely townread player makes it to lylo without having driven a scum lynch, that should be cause for re-evaluation. Some treat this as a fallacy, I treat it as fair. Ymmv.
I'm firmly in the fallacy camp owing to the fact the rest of the game should be weighed against the context of someone being alive in lylo.

Did they push a scum lynch d1 then lurk and take opportunistic wagons through to LyLo? they bussed.

Did they push town wagon but go against the grain and write up terrific cases for each one and let their heart bleed on the thread? They're town. (or scum who's so good they deserve to win)

The only thing I'll pay from this post without more context is backing up that I am as strongly anti-bus as possible atm.
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Post Post #427 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:36 am

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What's your experience with scum!me teacher?
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Post Post #428 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:57 pm

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In post 427, the worst wrote:What's your experience with scum!me teacher?
I semi spectated your deep wolf in the “Star Wars” or “Starcraft” or whatever Krazy series
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Post Post #429 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:07 pm

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I thought that's what you were referring to yeah. if you want to jam about your read on me I'm a source of great wisdom wrt myself :P

otherwise please keep posting, you've been a source of good momentum which I think this game needs.

if we can work with a towncore of {teacher, urap, lav} + provisionarily {urist, me} this should be gg
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Post Post #430 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:08 pm

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@Godmid
please claim the next time you check into the thread. we will need ~36 hours after your claim to resolve this phase properly mechanically.
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Post Post #431 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:09 pm

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In post 233, the worst wrote:Subject: Newbie 1866 - Canine Mafia [GAME OVER]
the worst wrote:In case day ends quickly some advice for TPRs (just general advice, Una/Pingu jump in if you disagree or have more to add)


Cop
-- DO NOT TARGET STRONG TOWN PLAYERS OR PEOPLE WHO SEEM TO "KNOW SOMETHING". they will be night killed and your results will be useless. IME cops are best suited targeting players who are kinda null reads, leaning one way or the other. if you can reach day 3 (let's say 3 town vs 2 scum) and out yourself along with your results, that's an instant town win! even in 4v1, you can push the decision down to a 50/50 lynch. If you do get a guilty it's generally advised to either 1) out yourself instantly, or 2) make it REALLY obvious who your guilty is so if you flip town can lynch them

Neopolitan
-- go for similar targets to docs. not super obvious townies, but also not people who are super shady. do not out your results right away. town power roles and scum power roles both return "not vanilla", so if you do out a NV result it can fuck the town. Try and put them in a scummier range, if anything. If you get a Vanilla result, try and townread them subtly but in a way that we'll notice if you die. If you survive until massclaim this almost nullifies scum fakeclaims.

Tracker
-- target the shady people cops need to avoid! if you track someone to a target and they're not dead there's a decent chance the person you tracked is a town power role. reassess this based on the setup once another power role has flipped / claimed etc. If you track someone to a player who dies that night, out your result immediately as on the balance of probabilities it was the night kill.

Jailkeeper
-- i hate this role :lol: you can be a roleblocker or a doctor. if you think you can guess who is most likely to be the scum killer tonight, target them--but this function is a lot stronger lategame IMO. for the time being, be a doctor. try and target players who you would kill if you were scum (priority 1: people who you think might be town power roles. priority 2: very towny players....IMO)

Doctor
-- put on your evil hat and think "who would I kill?", then target that person. As with JK priority#1 is town power roles who you think the scumteam will be on to (generally speaking, scum are better at spotting townies who are playing like power roles than town are. so if you have a suspicion, the scumteam likely do, too). Priority #2 is to target very towny players. FRIENDLY REMINDER if you target a player and they don't die, it is very likely they're town. so try and make it clear but not too clear with your reads d2 that you've "cop cleared" them.


The Wiki has shitloads more info but I'm lazy. Google "mafiascum wiki [role name]" and have a good read.

Good luck<3
just gonna drop this iconic copypasta from a game I played a thousand years ago here for any TPRs out there. obviously don't interact with this post unless there's something you agree with at a mechanical/theory level because acknowledging it may be considered a TPR tell

this came from a game where I was trying to subtly hint at who the jk should target btw. I've had some serious successes with people sheeping these tips hence I keep digging it up

in this game the dream cop target is lavender imo because she's kinda townish but hard to get a firm read on. outside of that {Ryno, whig/Urist} are good targets for now.

won't talk about doc/jk targets because manipulating nightkills rarely works out well
also just requoting this bad boy
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Post Post #432 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:29 pm

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^funny you did that. The one piece of advice I slightly differ from on a theory level concerns the JK. My own short version is JK actions should depend on flips. If today’s flip is green, act a doc. If it’s red, act a cop.

Personally I don’t try to PR hunt w save attempts, but that’s cause I’m a marginal pr hunter.
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Post Post #433 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:37 pm

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@tw if you’re around I’d love to jam about lab. I have them as a town counterwagon, but still have them in the sort pile. Talk to me about what blocked them for you?
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Post Post #434 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:41 pm

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In post 324, DENMON wrote:I think Marcus 325 is a good choice, but u r a person 2 is a better choice.
I like the lampshadeybess about changing approach, but this is completely inconsistent w your group one group 2 thoughts. Also there’s no way in hell URAP is going through with 48 hours. So who are you going to vote? Vanity wagons are boooo.
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Post Post #435 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:43 pm

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please claim the next time you check into the thread. we will need ~36 hours after your claim to resolve this phase properly mechanically.
Agree. For purposes of a flash wagon if needed, I’m open to Denmon or Ryno
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Post Post #436 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:45 pm

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In post 323, Ryno56 wrote:Godmid and Lavender seem to be reactive instead of proactive, so I'm reading them as the scum atm
Playstyle=/alignment.

You talked about Lav. Talk to me about God.
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Post Post #437 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:48 pm

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Page reminder that godmid is L-1

As TW mentioned, due to deadline that slot should claim regardless intent.
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Post Post #438 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:59 pm

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would you kindly update post 0 to reflect the several substitutions - me-Marcus, Pvt-whig
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Post Post #439 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:09 pm

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In post 306, PvtUrist wrote:VOTE: Marcus will write and answer questions in a few hours
Or like 4 days.....
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Post Post #440 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:39 pm

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In post 432, teacher wrote:^funny you did that. The one piece of advice I slightly differ from on a theory level concerns the JK. My own short version is JK actions should depend on flips. If today’s flip is green, act a doc. If it’s red, act a cop.

Personally I don’t try to PR hunt w save attempts, but that’s cause I’m a marginal pr hunter.
This is smart. (my main flaw is I was steering the JK in the game I'm quoting. :P)
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Post Post #441 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:41 pm

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In post 433, teacher wrote:@tw if you’re around I’d love to jam about lab. I have them as a town counterwagon, but still have them in the sort pile. Talk to me about what blocked them for you?
Tbh I liked urap's take. In isolation I don't think her posts are like overwhelmingly alignment indicative but I do think the fact that her passivity lessens when she's talking to me indicates she's genuine.

Either that or she's been coached to respond to us as a priority but even that feels less... like the way she's posting and more like an applied read
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Post Post #442 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:01 pm

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Thanks for sourcing it. Reading page 13 with that in mind groks. I hadn’t gotten that much out of it cold, but I was pretty blurry from doing it all in a day.
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Post Post #443 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:20 pm

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I was about the same on first read. Urap definitely inspired my applied read there.
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Post Post #444 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:28 pm

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In post 418, teacher wrote:Ordinarily I’d scumread Sho as a reaction test but I feel pretty good about my early game read and think scum!sho doesn’t disappear like this. At least they didn’t as 3D party so I would say it is real life, but with the effect of strengthening rafher than weakening my gut.
React to this? I noted she was out of your block and I’m on with that but liking my read.
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Post Post #445 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:28 pm

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Ok* with that
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Post Post #446 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:34 pm

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About the same - waiting for her to swing back into the game but I hard townread her coming out of rvs so I'm probably predisposed to townreading her. She should have actually been in the provisional block.

I think (hope (pls)) I'm more likely wrong on town!Sho than town!urap
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Post Post #447 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:37 pm

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Start of day self vote and her jumping straight onto urap was very good I think I'm just craving more presence :P
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Post Post #448 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:40 pm

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Alright I’m off for the night and churching/flying tomorrow so going to be gone a bit. Be well.
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Post Post #449 (ISO) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:51 pm

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