Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[Ankamius]

Nancy

, I don't remember the last time you saw me as scum, and the last time I saw you saying me

"me being a town leader is a scum-tell"

was when you were scum,

Merchant's Daughter

.

So is your answer to 107 that you ONLY are interested in my vote on your hydra and debate that I could be scum for getting a feel of the playerlist?

p-edit

clem

, is the lack of response you have to the

nancefloor

99 vote your way of defending them?

tread carefully hun

I really don’t like this post. Nothing Clem posted was scummy.

did I say he did anything scummy?

So, I mentioned the town leader thing in a game where I was scum, so that of course makes me scum here, right?

Are you even actually trying to sort us?

You haven’t even explained why you hated his vote so much and you’re looking for any reason to push us. Tell me I’m wrong here. I want to tr you.

I really

really

really

do not like this post.

[Ankamius]

Talk to me about

OkaPoka

and

Nancefloor

.

Specifically the votes on

Oka

and 75.

p-edit

what's

Dann's

reason for voting

Oka

?

and is my vote on

Dann

the only thing about 99 that caught your attention?

if so, i need better GIFs

Dann didn’t like the fact, that he voted someone who claimed to have 2 reads but didn’t inquire about them.

Tell me why this is scummy Taly?

I’m not getting off you until you do.

this post is also scummy

[Ankamius]

Nancy

, I don't remember the last time you saw me as scum, and the last time I saw you saying me

"me being a town leader is a scum-tell"

was when you were scum,

Merchant's Daughter

.

So is your answer to 107 that you ONLY are interested in my vote on your hydra and debate that I could be scum for getting a feel of the playerlist?

p-edit

clem

, is the lack of response you have to the

nancefloor

99 vote your way of defending them?

tread carefully hun

I really don’t like this post. Nothing Clem posted was scummy.

did I say he did anything scummy?

Oh okay, he explained it in our hydra PT but not here.

@Dann, don’t do that anymore. *smack* :P

taly is probably not scum btw

Yeah, Dann should have explained his reasons in the thread, not just our PT.

this turnaround is not congruent with the rest of nancy's posting on this page

it's most likely a backpedal

[Ankamius]

i think nancefloor is scummy but i also don't want to push them for reasons

the syncing probably means RC is town but I'll hold on locking that in yet

[Ankamius]

VOTE: nancefloor

ew

[Ankamius]

Clem is probably town
Dont like Oka
ive really only skimmed though and ill bother to fully read later today when theres more posts.

why is clem probably town

Tone

Tone

posts feel genuine

I agree re:clemency so far but idk how I feel about the fact that this one slot is his only townread and his only scumread is the slot that has the most flak on them atm makes me wonder a bit

[Ankamius]

i will not be pushing on you regardless of my read on you until some indeterminate point in the future.

Fine, I do want you to be sorted properly. @Taly, to answer your earlier question, I don’t have to many reads yet. I think you BEF and RC are town currently.

I think Dann agrees with that,

noting this post for later

[Ankamius]

It’s late and I don’t feel like critically thinking but I remember thinking a couple of Oka posts were townie

186 in case I forget

noting this post for later

[Clemency]

whee i love being townread

[Ankamius]

same page since last night? i thought people were going to :EFFORT: 153 187 195 204 210

well actually, i think i enjoy this pace for a large. to hell with going through 50 pages in 24 hours.

good job playerlist :D

i like this playerlist - too bad i have 2 scumleans and only 1 townlean that id publicly voice atm and i can tell thats a slightly BS read :(

VOTE: Clemency

13 posts and none of them have given me an impression on where to even start sorting you. I have AT LEAST an approach to sort or have a read on everyone else who has posted more than you.

{OkaPoka, RadiantCowbells, Nancefloor, Creature, Taly}

for context of people who've posted more.

Perhaps this will help you

reintegrate

your vibe for mafia.

choochoo

also

VOTE: chennisden

I don't have any experience with chennisden and I don't want to jump on okas wagon, so I'm placing my vote there.

Feel free to sheep me unless you have reason to believe scum put the 8ball there. If so let us know.

if i could split a vote, it would be here.

this post is really pinging me for some reason and I can't point to any specific reason why

help

[Ankamius]

I can't help but feel like the NanceFloor heads disagree with each other, and the fact 191 has to exist only gives credence.

why did you write this?

[Ankamius]

My Chen vote has nothing to do with a SR or activity. It just feels like a safe place to lynch. IMO, a mislynch > an 8ball lynch.

the 8ball is literally meaningless

stop attributing anything to it.

[Ankamius]

8-Ball Thoughts

RadiantCowbells - Never 8-Ball
mbaki - Never 8-Ball
OkaPoka - Possible, but I believe that they would be overlooked.
Time Devil (TemporalLich + Baezu) - Could be, but similar to OkaPoka, but a little less.
Shoshin - Hasn’t even picked up yet, this is never 8-Ball
Vedith - Never 8-Ball
Creature - Hmm, could go either way, but I don’t think this is ever 8-Ball.
Taly - Never 8-Ball
Confirmation Bias (??? + ???) - I guess we could be 8-Ball. Kind of odd to comment on this.
Clemency - If familiar, High chance of being 8-ball
NanceFloor (Nancy Drew 39 + Dannflor) - Medium-low chance at being 8-Ball.
Chennisden - If town, and scum are familiar with the playlist, highest chance at being 8-Ball, but for that reason, might not be 8-Ball.
Chemist1422 - eh.
0verkill - eh
BrightEyedFish - same as Clemency.
Shadowlesscloud - Replacement coming in is too risky. Not 8-Ball.
Fuscosco - High chance at being 8-Ball.

Conf

the fact that this list exists at all is enough for a scumread

[Ankamius]

Real quick first. Why are we favoring no info over info lynches? Presumably to prot the one PR we have, but i would argue that having scum do things like arrange names and pick guarentted numbers of scum within small groups is just better.

PRs are sooooooo overrated.

because there's literally an option in the game for us to have one free lynch on whoever we want in a setup where our only real power is in how we lynch and how many people we get to lynch

it's literally a free lynch

why would we not take it

[Ankamius]

also idc if 8ball is scum, we lynch scum

Chennisden is probably town for 293 and 294.

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[Ankamius]

1) Why are you focusing on the 8ball? We didn't speedvote 8ball so we can try to figure out who was likely voted for it. That's pretty much the opposite intention here.

2) How did you come to the conclusion on who is more lynchbaity than not? Playstyle? Meta? I don't know either head of your hydra, so I assume you don't have adequate amount of familiarity with me or other players to deduce this about me.

And if you did, that makes me question your motivations even more.

3) How can you say {Me/mbaki/RadiantCowbells/etc.} will NEVER be 8-Ball?

What if we were scum who 8-balled ourselves and were baiting our lynch?
What if we were scum who 8-balled someone else because we didn't plan to get lynched?
What if we were town who got 8-balled BECAUSE we were "not lynchbaity, therefore a safe lynch"?
What if we were town who didn't get 8-balled, BUT we are a good "this person is playing like X and Y on playstyle, so we can lynch/townbloc them!"

Town can't strategize on this basis, and scum can ONLY strategize based off CONTROLLING how people will get lynched via looking at their "lynchbait equity"... Which isn't too helpful pre-8ball-vote, since we didn't start the game with "I think this person is town or scum!"

4) You're saying people who are lynchbaity can likely be 8ball and this is true, but you're making radical assumptions about people's alignments and motives before even interacting with the game. This is extremely agenda-based play and no town player can evaluate a "readslist" like this and find clarity on how to solve for who is town or scum.

This post is just WIFOM and if you were in the original startup of this game and knew why people voted 8ball then that makes this worse.

Can't answer some of the questions for Conf, but:
2. Bad assumption, you not knowing our identities doesn't imply we can't be familiar with your style. And yes, obviously one would come to a conclusion of whether a player is "lynchbaity" based on playstyle and prior propensity towards getting lynched.
3. If a player's not lynchable D1, it would be stupid for scum to pick that player as 8-ball; therefore they never will be. If they do turn out to be 8-ball, that's good for town. Scum 8-balling themselves and baiting their lynch is a terrible move for scum, especially if it's a scum player who carries their team. I agree that town can't strategize on this basis necessarily, we'll just have to be more careful sorting scummy town vs scum; there's no point speculating over the 8-ball.
4. Quote the "radical assumptions" and "motives"? I haven't really interacted with my partner about the list yet but it looks pretty obvious it's a list of "who's likely to be 8-ball as town"? Also, "RC won't be the 8-ball" is a conclusion that follows regardless of whether RC is town or scum. It doesn't require any "radical assumption" about anyone's alignment.

Yes, the post is a bit WIFOMy. You've spent a lot of words saying this, but I don't see the scum motivation for posting a "likely 8-ball" list?
(If "You're stirring up WIFOM to mess with reads" is your argument, that's a poor reason)

-Bias

VOTE: Confirmation Bias

[Ankamius]

VOTE: confbias

THE SYNC IS REAL

[Creature]

Can't wait to be quoted.

[Creature]

[Ankamius]

Also, Taly, I hard disagree that making the 8-ball analysis table was pointless or scum indicative. Looks like that’s just a playstyle difference you’re reading.

I by all means wanted to think about it, but I don’t expect to follow that and go for not the 8 ball. That’s part of the game, and whoever the scum did pick

does matter

, we just shouldn’t necessarily analyze too deep into it because it’s a distraction.

You all just got hung up on that part, which was annoying. If anything, I made the post for my thoughts, and to show you all where I was thinking about that. It’s good to have there. But we lynch for scum.

~Conf

I don't like this post either

[Ankamius]

RadiantCowbells is a safe townread for a while
Taly is a safe townread for a while
BrightEyedFish is a townread but he's derping
Clemency is a townread... a weak one, but still probably town

Taly x Confirmation Bias debate is not SvS based on how it died down, if one slot is scum here it's ConfBias since they are a lot more self-aware of how they look from it than Taly does

Confirmation Bias + Nancefloor + 0verki11 + Time Devil <--- this is all my scumreads currently

Fuscosco is skirting the edge into a scumread, but is not quite there yet.

I can see Chemist going either way depending on how he reengages into the game, I can see his entrance coming from either alignment.
OkaPoka I'll need to double check, mainly the names that have been pushing on him throughout the day so far

mbaki/Shoshin/Creature/chennisden/shadowlesscloud <--- not sure what to think of yet

[Ankamius]

my townreads are in order of strength

my scumreads are roughly Confirmation Bias > Time Devil > Nancefloor > 0verki11 atm in terms of read strength

[Clemency]

i'd vote conf but i wanna figure out who they are

[Ankamius]

Also, Taly, I hard disagree that making the 8-ball analysis table was pointless or scum indicative. Looks like that’s just a playstyle difference you’re reading.

I by all means wanted to think about it, but I don’t expect to follow that and go for not the 8 ball. That’s part of the game, and whoever the scum did pick

does matter

, we just shouldn’t necessarily analyze too deep into it because it’s a distraction.

You all just got hung up on that part, which was annoying. If anything, I made the post for my thoughts, and to show you all where I was thinking about that. It’s good to have there. But we lynch for scum.

~Conf

ftr

313 really showed that this slot was looking to be townread for the 8ball spec

and this post implies that they know enough to understand why the spec is completely pointless... yet knowing said they supported it anyway?

this entire approach is ridiculous for town and looks to me like scum in over their heads on how to handle the pressure they gained from this angle

[Ankamius]

and I don't care that different heads made 313 and 364

the first line of 364 literally says that they don't think the table was pointless, therefore the link is valid.