Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

[Fumuki]

Oh right, the cop thing?

I think that cop targeted you though?

If he targeted Eyes today, it might be good for him to target you tonight, specially because it can lead to confusion otherwise.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: fumuki

[RadiantCowbells]

i don't believe that you can't figure out that i'm the same alignment between this game and 2070 and I've felt like you were the same alignment since the beginning of that one.

[Fumuki]

And if cop targeted RC today, probably target Eyes tonight.

To avoid confusion.

[Fumuki]

i don't believe that you can't figure out that i'm the same alignment between this game and 2070 and I've felt like you were the same alignment since the beginning of that one.

I`m playing pretty differently here than in 2070 cowbells

and also I can`t be bothered to fight you right now, if you want to scum read me it`s fine, but I`m town.

[RadiantCowbells]

you're doing the exact same bullshit trying to work up paranoia in this game. you even quoted wizard's "maybe the cop faked a result". if you're town the way you've played you have something else coming

[Fumuki]

Also I`m bad at mafia and you yourself said that I think

so why do you expect me to be able to correctly read you anyway? My record on that isn`t good

[RadiantCowbells]

i'll just wait to hear what NSG thinks.

[Fumuki]

you're doing the exact same bullshit trying to work up paranoia in this game. you even quoted wizard's "maybe the cop faked a result". if you're town the way you've played you have something else coming

Hmmmmm

what?

what do you mean I said cop faked a result? I just said that since you were so adamant about not being copped, we don`t know for sure if cop checked you, or if they checked Eyes. If they checked you, tonight they should go for Eyes, and if they checked Eyes, they should cop you tonight.

can you stop going bat crazy here please? Unless you`re scum but I don`t want to work on that right now

[Fumuki]

i'll just wait to hear what NSG thinks.

I`m glad they didn`t kill NSG in that case

[RadiantCowbells]

you haven't actually said that you scumread me though. you just keep asking for me to be copped, which overlaps with someone that you obviously want to nightkill.
if you think that i'm scum then your actions make sense but at no point have you suggested that I'm scum and you've even said the opposite and it seemed like until wiz ended up being not doc you were playing for the nightkill on me.

[RadiantCowbells]

"to prevent confusion" is an awfully meaningless statement and a pretty convenient way to justify pushing really shitty night actions, which is again what you did last game and via the same means.

[Fumuki]

you haven't actually said that you scumread me though. you just keep asking for me to be copped, which overlaps with someone that you obviously want to nightkill.
if you think that i'm scum then your actions make sense but at no point have you suggested that I'm scum and you've even said the opposite and it seemed like until wiz ended up being not doc you were playing for the nightkill on me.

Radiant

the reason I want you copped, is because if I ever think you`re scum, and I need to try to start a wagon on you, I would need dozens of vodka or else I would give up in the middle of it.

You being copped just in case you`re scum, helps so much mine and I think others mental sanity a lot. Trying to lynch you is bound to either fail or at least add +100 1v1 pages.

[RadiantCowbells]

but do you think that I'm scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

you don't get to just say that i need to be copped because you have a personal problem with the idea of lynching me: if you think that way then you should probably not be in this game.

[Fumuki]

but do you think that I'm scum?

Maybe. It can go either way, and I for sure would trade the cop itself for a clear or guilty on you.

I don`t have enough vodkas to try to 1v1 you ever again.

[RadiantCowbells]

and given that you used the exact same personal conflict with me stuff to try to fuck over night actions and spew yourself town in the last game, you claiming that you're playing 'differently' is a strange thing to say.

[Fumuki]

you don't get to just say that i need to be copped because you have a personal problem with the idea of lynching me: if you think that way then you should probably not be in this game.

It`s not a personal problem RC. It`s just that you`re that good in avoiding being lynched, you know this, and I don`t trust many people here to actually lynch you if you`re ever scum later.

It`s not because I`ve a problem with you. It`s simply because if you`re a deepwolf you can easily win this if you`re not copped.

[Fumuki]

and given that you used the exact same personal conflict with me stuff to try to fuck over night actions and spew yourself town in the last game, you claiming that you're playing 'differently' is a strange thing to say.

Radiant, I was so bat crazy shit by the end of that game, that I`m sure you know the difference between here and there.

Also, I only used AtE as a very last resource there. I`m not in despair or anything here, there`s no reason to do it, I don`t like conflicts and that`s exactly why I would like a cop check on you.

The cop can even check me after you.

[RadiantCowbells]

scum are going to nightkill me or lose. the same reasoning i used in that game applies: clearing me town has absolutely zero value to town.
cops are meant for people who benefit town regardless of whether they flip town or scum, targeting me will end up being absolutely zero +equity in the late game.
i have no issues just lynching you outright if you're going to do the same thing that you did last game because if you used it as a scum strategy you should recognize how anti-town it is.

[Fumuki]

scum are going to nightkill me or lose.

Like, that`s why I want you copped. I disagree with this.

I think you`re good but that doesn`t mean scum can`t win if they don`t nightkill you or something. Also, what if you`re scum yourself?

I don`t know why you hate the cop check so much, maybe you`re scum and it`s understandable, but even as town in Mini 2070 you trash talked a bit the cop for targeting you. I think you should try to understand a bit more why people would like you copped, but that`s just my 2 cents and you might want to avoid that habit because as scum you would always end up guiltied and that`s no fun.

[Fumuki]

I`m particularly against cops in any setups to be honest, but since we have one let`s try to use it I guess

[RadiantCowbells]

i've actually asked to be copped on occasion: in games where i think that i am at greater than 50%ish risk of getting mislynched if i'm not cleared. when i'm never getting lynched why would I want the massive -town equity from losing a clear? i'm going to spew myself town by killing scum, all that you're doing is creating a situation where i'm too busy dealing with you in a way that probably says very little about my alignment as opposed to killing scum which says a lot. if you want to be thewizard 2.0 and tchill 3.0 then go ahead but as it happens if I was scum all you're doing is making it easy for me to mislynch you and shrug it off because I typically mislynch people pulling the shit that you're pulling.

[RadiantCowbells]

you're making the game horrible for me because i'm town but if i was scum what you're doing is actually a blessing because you hand me a mislynch that i can't be faulted for leading.

keep that in mind.

[Fumuki]

Ok Radiant, you won

unhappily I don`t have a vodka and this is probably our last game together so the cop can very well do whatever he wants and I just hope he crumbs what he is been doing at night if that`s the case

who are you thinking about lynching today?