Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[BNL]

Vote Count 1.2.6

OkaPoka (3): Creature, BrightEyedFish, chennisden
Shadowlesscloud (2): OkaPoka, Confirmation Bias
Time Devil (1): NanceFloor
mbaki (1): 0verki11
NanceFloor (1): Time Devil
0verki11 (1): Ankamius
chennisden (1): Fuscosco

Not Voting (7): mbaki, Shoshin, Chemist1422, Shadowlesscloud, Clemency, RadiantCowbells, Taly

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate a player.

The deadline for elimination is 27 April 12:00pm UTC-4, or in (expired on 2019-04-27 12:00:00)

Mod Notes:

[Taly]

I'm done trying to explain myself to you. I want to speak with

Dann

and reply to readslist as he's expressed a desire to do for me, as I also want to focus on other slots and gather a stronger idea of the playerlist before deadline. I don't have time or interest in this.

[NanceFloor]

I'M NOT GIVING A DEFINITIVE READ YET BECAUSE I AM STILL SORTING.

I'M NOT GIVING A DEFINITIVE READ YET BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE OTHER PEOPLE'S READS PROGRESS BEFORE I MAKE A FURTHER ASSESSMENT.

STOP PULLING MY TEETH FOR AN ANSWER THAT I'VE SAID I WON'T GIVE YET.

The more you focus on ONLY interacting with me BECAUSE of my read on YOU, the MORE I am DISTRACTED from evaluating BOTH OF YOUR HEADS so I can have a better understanding of BOTH of your approaches this game OUTSIDE OF JUST A READ.

I'm not mad at you

Nancy

, but I do not have any other clue as to how I can make this clearer.

Talk to me

(or about me)

around something else OTHER than my read on you, or leave me be.

I'm done trying to explain myself to you. I want to speak with

Dann

and reply to readslist as he's expressed a desire to do for me, as I also want to focus on other slots and gather a stronger idea of the playerlist before deadline. I don't have time or interest in this.

If you want to talk to me about other things than your read on me, who’s stopping you? Not me. Ask away.

[NanceFloor]

.o/

- Floor

[mbaki]

time devil is locktown to me.

Based on what? Are you insane?

lmfao

but I think this hydra is tentatively town? Dann is not obv town Dann I rmemeber, but Nancy tone is good. TD is also probably town.

[Taly]

I regret typing my last 2 posts.

Kittybells

, I don't follow

TD

or

Chenn

as town, why am I wrong?

Granted, I also wish I looked at

TD

more today and will do so tomorrow.

p-edit

.o/

- Floor

I want to be in bed within the next 20 minutes, so I'll reply to the rest of the reads tomorrow and give more thoughts. I built scumreads today but the thought of reevaluating has already come to me.

I will have a vote somewhere tomorrow for certain.

Taly

- I have you as lean town. Generally, I think the way you've been approaching this game is town indicative in the way you've been interacting with players and genuinely trying to sort them. You are constantly asking questions and then actually following through on those questions and forming conclusions—which is the biggest missing part in scum play similar to your play here. I also think the way you backed off of us in 406 is pretty town motivated, especially because I (think?) you're fairly familiar with Nancy as a player. It benefits scum a lot more than town to gladiate Nancy and clog up the thread. You still clearly attempting to solve us but in an indirect manner is more effort towards our slot than I think scum would give and a much more town oriented mindset to approaching us than trying to force a 1v1.

However, a few of your posts have raised some ?? as I'm reading and I'm hoping you can walk me through your thought processes because it's preventing me from town reading you as strongly as I'd like.

ugh nancy if youre going to scumread everyone who suspects you this game then that just makes it much, much harder to solve you.

For example, in regards to the above, I feel like you

know

that's Nancy's specialty regardless of alignment (sorry Nancy I love you) and thus this kind of observation feels fake. In fact, because of your assertion that you wouldn't be direct solving us earlier, I feel like this was already implicit in your approach to us. Anyway, I'm mostly curious why you haven't been trying to directly interact and sort me more? Especially if the Nance head isn't giving you what you want. You've shot me a question here and there but nothing that makes me feel like you're actively trying to solve me. Maybe I'm partially to blame because I've let Nancy be the more active head, but I would like to interact with you more.

Specifically, can you talk to me about your push on Confirmation Bias earlier and why you thought 8-ball speculation was scum indicative? And I don't necessarily think WIFOM = scum here.

1)

No, I don't know

Nancy's

meta well enough to evaluate that suspecting and focusing on people who scumread her is an NAI

"specialty"

, and if its just a playstyle thing, then she's the first person I won't automatically think is scum-motivated for doing it. Regardless, it's not a helpful means to solve for her or for the people she's speaking with despite how she reads them.

2)

From my understanding - or my personal interactions, I haven't seen as much as you

Dann

as

Nancy

the conversationalist.

Plus, I haven't focused too much on reading you as people seem to have more of an opinion on your head than

Nancy

, at first I wanted people to explain their thoughts on why you're scum but I'm just taking this into my own hands as nothing else so far has helped really.

3)

I thought I beat this to death in 270 and my later reply to 313... but there's no grounding for town to evaluate someone's reads or push in a game based on looking solely at the 8-Ball mechanic and making assumptions on how scum has and is responding to the power - so it's incredibly easy to falsify reads or focus on a narrative that benefits scum.

I feel like the spew from

Flavor

did not read as scum on the two times I've skimmed through it, and unfortunately, I could see town doing something similar creating the

8-Ball

list. This slot replaced out so I'm not focusing anymore here atm.

WIFOM is not scum-indicative in itself, but how it's incorporated can very easily be and that's how I based my original read on

Confbias

.

[Taly]

I want hugs.

[Taly]

nancy

post kitty or puppy gifs

dann

do something

dann

would do

kittybells

make me question my life decisions and then reaffirm me

mbaki

meme bully me

[OkaPoka]

Normally, I'd be more open to not lynch a low content slot.

However, a lot of these powers generate content and there are quite a few low content slots

so lets all agree to pew pew the low content slots

i think the greatest scum equity is in shadowless of these low content slots

[BNL]

themilkcartonkid

replaces Shoshin. Please welcome him!

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: tmck

oh yeah i totally forgot about that.

[OkaPoka]

wutface

[OkaPoka]

isnt lynching tmck/shoshin slot just lynching at variance

[RadiantCowbells]

shoshin repping out of this game is probably more scum indicative than anything else that's happened.

[NanceFloor]

dann do something dann would do

So I kinda forgot the game was happening, but I've played this setup a couple times in sitechat before, (and modded them, too) and usually it doesn't matter who gets lynched first, just because if you get town, you get a confirmed townie, and most of the time by the first couple minutes based on who's working with who and so on and so forth. I saw the votecount and it looked like it was him or you. I knew if I voted you I'd either get scum and p much win, or I'd get town and you'd shoot him (killing scum). That's how it goes pretty much every time. So I flipped a coin that would only land heads up.

I get this setup mixed up a lot, though, with SS3 (and also every time I skim this I think townies are perma one-shot lynchproof) which is why I posted like I did at beginning of day 2. I know you know I'm town, cuz if you didn't think I was, you'd have shot me yesterday. Let's lynch RC and win this thing for the homies?

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: tmck

[OkaPoka]

does she have a meta have repping out as scum?

or do you not have any scumreads?

or is it a bit of column a and a bit of column b

[themilkcartonkid]

Nah, pretty sure they never looked at their PM, that's why I replaced them. Fresh start.

[RadiantCowbells]

pretty sure?

[themilkcartonkid]

Also, scum most definitely 8 balled RC I'm calling that right now

[OkaPoka]

tmck say something when you finish catching up k thx

[Fuscosco]

Also, scum most definitely 8 balled RC I'm calling that right now

[Fuscosco]

VOTE: tmck

oh yeah i totally forgot about that.

VOTE: tmck

what

[themilkcartonkid]

So I skimmed the game earlier to decide if I wanted to rep in, chenn is probably town based on last game unless they were just lurky earlier. Also only like 4 people are posting and that's about what i got. Who is the leading wagon?

[OkaPoka]

if you vote shadowless ill love you tmck