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teacher · Post Post #675 (ISO) » Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:37 pm

Way not to mention Denmon

PvtUrist · Post Post #676 (ISO) » Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:39 pm

In post 675, teacher wrote:Way not to mention Denmon

meant Denmon

got the two mixed up

PvtUrist · Post Post #677 (ISO) » Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:16 pm

{Urap, TW, Ceejay} isn't something I'll be needing to explain. Don't lynch within these three.

So here's my goal for today; either get flipped and manage to prevent DENMON's lynch D3, or convince a lynch on my scumreads. The latter probably isn't gonna happen, so I'll start from the former.

Here's DENMON's readlist interpretted from #324, #362 and #458

{Ryno,

Godmid

}
{

Lavender

, Shosho/Ceejay, TW, Urist, urap}
{Marcus/Teacher}

Spoiler: 324

In post 324, DENMON wrote:
In post 299, brassherald wrote:Post
Ok, this is probably going to look pretty suspicious cause I'm kind of going to be changing my behavior. I'm honestly not liking the way I am playing myself, since I am normally pretty aggressive and attempt to vote out the people that I really want to be lynched. I guess cause I'm not used to the environment, I'm playing a bit more cautiously. I'm also going to be restarting my thinking completely because I actually took the time to reread most stuff since I am doubting my reasoning more than I am actually supporting them.

HERE ARE MY READS:
In general, I reminded myself that the reds want to lay low so they don't get voted out. This doesn't mean that they are posting less, but that they are making too many agreeable posts.

Lavender - Maybe Green - I'm getting a pretty green vibe from Lavender's posts. Plus Lavender got a good amount of votes and suspicion at one point, but there wasn't really anyone defending him. I would think that someone, even if that person would be green, would say something. I also agree with his suspicion on Marcus325 in that the reasoning is valid.
Marcus325 - Eh - Like I said above, I agree with Lavender on his suspicion. Now it is just a matter of deciding if it means he is red or not. I think by process of elimination, it isn't too far off of a guess.
DENMON - Very green
Ryno56 - Green - I think he is too aggressive to be a red. His attack on Lavender would gather a lot of attention, which is something a red would not like to have.
Godmid - Green - He is very determined in trying to convince others that u r a person 2 and the worst is red, and I think if he was red, he would be a bit less determined, you know?
PvtUrist - Maybe Green - I like how he made a list like this and gave his thoughts on it which is a reason why I think he is probably a green. The issue is that there wasn't actually much thought. He listed what alignment people were on, but didn't give much thought to say why. I would think that maybe he would put a little more effort as a green.
Shoshin - Maybe Green? - I would think if he was red, he would be a bit more active. He said "oh the reds are so obvious, do you see it" (not a direct quote, didn't bother to find it). This is bit of a careless move to say then just leave it for people to question. Red would probably want to be more careful.
the worst - Maybe Green - After I reread everything, I think he is a bit too active to be red. I've made some posts against the worst but now that I reread everything, I'm having my doubts. Actually I'm kinda regret posting it, as my reasoning seems a bit silly. Normally when I start doubting stuff, it means I am attacking a green. So I'm just going to go with my gut and say the worst is maybe green.
u r a person 2 - Eh - He seems off. I think what is happening is that u r a person 2 is using the worst to make all his defenses and reads for him, then not really give much thought to us until the worst asks him a question. Something isn't sitting well with me here, even if he is giving good replies like with what he said about Lavender. Because of this, I think he is actually trying to lay low, and he is doing well.

I think Marcus 325 is a good choice, but u r a person 2 is a better choice.

I know shifty behavior - red alarms. Vote me out if you have to, but I'm actually kind of confident on this, which I never was since I joined

VOTE: u r a person 2

Spoiler: 362

Spoiler: 458

DENMON and I have had very similar reads throughout the game so far, and hopefully my flip would clear his. His D1 case against TW and Urap were bad, but I believe their motives came from more town than scum. Other than lack of experience, activity, and charisma, I do not see where DENMON comes across as scum-alligned.

I apologize if I've missed it, but why do people scumread DENMON, other than from PoE?

Will talk about Ryno and Teacher next.

PvtUrist · Post Post #678 (ISO) » Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:31 pm

I would love if everyone could take a bit of time to recase Ryno. I'll pick out where some of his posts have pinged me as scum or with scum-agenda, and offer a few questions at the end of this post.

In post 116, Ryno56 wrote:Gut feeling is gut feeling, unfortunately. Maybe it's the way they seem too eager to please.

First ping. RVS vote on Lavender is fine by itself, but the language used here felt slightly forced.

In post 124, Ryno56 wrote:
In post 122, Lavender wrote:
In post 120, Ryno56 wrote:
In post 118, Lavender wrote:Godmid, The reason why I don’t seem like I’m actively scum-hunting, is because I do not want to make someone stray from a correct read with my unsure reads.
And Ryno, My eager to please thing you have of me, is it because of my answering questions? If so I am simply trying to be helpful. If not and it’s something else like my reads, then you can make an assumption that I want to please. If it’s neither of those then can you tell me what made you think that of me?
It might be that you genuinely want to help, but I get the feeling that you want to seem like you want to help.
Ok, but can you to tell me where you get this feeling from? Of how I want to seem like I’m helping?
I can't tell you without potentially helping you, SCUM!

I suppose the allignment of this post depends on how one may interpret it. Personally, it felt fake, moreso after Lavender's town flip.

In post 126, Ryno56 wrote:I'm not going to repeat myself again haha

Again, possible personal bias, but I scumread this by tone.

In post 264, Ryno56 wrote:"The scum are starting to becoming obvious in this one. Anyone else seeing it yet?"

I'm suspecting shoshin a little. They need to be more helpful in conversation

Shade on shosho in a incredibly vague way that doesn't actually promote conversation.

In post 323, Ryno56 wrote:Godmid and Lavender seem to be reactive instead of proactive, so I'm reading them as the scum atm

Vague again, Ryno scum reads Lavender again after townreading him a while ago?

In post 408, Ryno56 wrote:VOTE: Godmid

In post 476, Ryno56 wrote:Scum - Godmid and Teacher (based on everyone else's reads, which make sense)
Suspicious - Lavender (too defensive, not proactive) and Shoshin (too unhelpful when we arent talking about him)
Town - all others

'The problem I'm having is that this site has 10 days for day 1. This is far too long for a day that had basically no information.'

I relate, 10 days seems much too excessive. I'm from Survivor ORGs which have 24 hours for voting. Maybe I'll start enjoying this more as things move forward.

Scumread on Godmid and Teacher, "based on everyone else's reads"? What is meant by "everyone else's reads" in this case? Again, vague shade on shosho.

In post 638, Ryno56 wrote:Suspecting TW and Ceejay atm

Explain what made TW suspective? Atleast the shade on shosho is consistent.

@Ryno, what's your current readlist? Why do you suspect TW and Ceejay? Thoughts on DENMON and myself? Why have Teacher as scum in #476? Don't need to answer all of them, just the first two would be greatly appreciated.

PvtUrist · Post Post #679 (ISO) » Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:50 pm

Here goes nothing.

I believe that Teacher has charmed town with his confident activity and charisma

, and that I'll be lynched (teehee) for speaking heresy.

Starting with Marcus's D1 preflip readlist based on #289, I'd love to know how people read and feel about his ISO, if it were completely unrelated to Teacher.

{TW,

Lavender

} town
{Shosho, Urap, Ryno} lean-town
{

Godmid

, DENMON, Urist} null

This readlist's a bit too fence-sitty for my liking. Marcus attacked Urap for the majority of D1, then switched onto Godmid near the deadline. This isn't scum indicative by default, but realise that it allowed Marcus to fly under the radar while town was distracted with Godmid, until Teacher replaced in.

In regards to my lameass post of #460, it described what I feel about Teacher's slot well. Town's townreads on Teacher isn't because he's actually sorting or benefitting town, but because he's active and charasmatic. I don't believe I have what it takes to personally disprove him, both in direct argument and evidence, so I'll let my flip and theory do the talking.

u r a person 2 · Post Post #680 (ISO) » Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:59 pm

Wanna know how to get me on board with a ryno lynch, Urist?

Town case TW

u r a person 2 · Post Post #681 (ISO) » Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:02 pm

also denmon

u r a person 2 · Post Post #682 (ISO) » Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:03 pm

In post 677, PvtUrist wrote:DENMON and I have had very similar reads throughout the game so far, and hopefully my flip would clear his. His D1 case against TW and Urap were bad, but I believe their motives came from more town than scum. Other than lack of experience, activity, and charisma, I do not see where DENMON comes across as scum-alligned.

specifically, I would like to see where and why you believe their motives come from a town mindset.

u r a person 2 · Post Post #683 (ISO) » Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:04 pm

and if you get through all that, pick me up a large cup of cookie dough ice cream

then i'll vote Ryno with you

Ryno56 · Post Post #684 (ISO) » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:31 pm

No, I'm reading teacher as town right now. I will respond to this later but I'm out atm

Ryno56 · Post Post #685 (ISO) » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:33 pm

In post 639, u r a person 2 wrote:why cj?

Reminder to self to respond to this

Ryno56 · Post Post #686 (ISO) » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:35 pm

Actually, there's a lot to respond to through 26-28. I'll do my best

ISO · Post Post #687 (ISO) » Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:52 pm

In post 668, u r a person 2 wrote:TW who do you prefer of those two?

urap....

ISO · Post Post #688 (ISO) » Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:54 pm

Urist you don't seem like you're enjoying being here much

teacher · Post Post #689 (ISO) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:30 am

VOTE: denmon

Urists plea, though mistaken, strikes me as legit feelings, especially after retreading him overnight.

Denmon hasn’t been on site for a full week. I’m convinced that one wagon was on scum; and that he went to me because his partner was on Godmid.

teacher · Post Post #690 (ISO) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:33 am

In post 648, teacher wrote:@ryno, I find your enthusiasm to be present at daybreak disconcerting given your malaise yesterday. Can you analyze the wagon and nk

If you’re around and working on stuff.

ISO · Post Post #691 (ISO) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:35 am

VOTE: DENMON don't disagree in the slightest
on the fence abt urist because he legit sounds like he's having an awful time posting

ISO · Post Post #692 (ISO) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:36 am

PoE will do that though
it's not a hard towntell

Ryno if you're town please post exactly what's on your mind and full lucid thoughts

I'm in two camps. Either you're town with really interesting takes, or scum making stuff up and seeing what sticks.

if it's #1 convince me pls

ceejayvinoya · Post Post #693 (ISO) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:19 am

I kind of want to vote ryno.

He's been full on awkward most of the game.

Same goes for denmon.

ceejayvinoya · Post Post #694 (ISO) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:21 am

In post 689, teacher wrote:VOTE: denmon

Urists plea, though mistaken, strikes me as legit feelings, especially after retreading him overnight.

Denmon hasn’t been on site for a full week. I’m convinced that one wagon was on scum; and that he went to me because his partner was on Godmid.

Does this mean there is one scum in {urap, ryno}? That was the godmid wagon before denmon's vote.

ISO · Post Post #695 (ISO) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:21 am

1-2 of them are scum i think

Pedit: I think so yes

teacher · Post Post #696 (ISO) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:24 am

In post 694, ceejayvinoya wrote:
In post 689, teacher wrote:VOTE: denmon

Urists plea, though mistaken, strikes me as legit feelings, especially after retreading him overnight.

Denmon hasn’t been on site for a full week. I’m convinced that one wagon was on scum; and that he went to me because his partner was on Godmid.
Does this mean there is one scum in {urap, ryno}? That was the godmid wagon before denmon's vote.

Ummmmm.... no? Denmon didn’t vote Godmid?

teacher · Post Post #697 (ISO) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:26 am

In post 696, teacher wrote:
In post 694, ceejayvinoya wrote:
In post 689, teacher wrote:VOTE: denmon

Urists plea, though mistaken, strikes me as legit feelings, especially after retreading him overnight.

Denmon hasn’t been on site for a full week. I’m convinced that one wagon was on scum; and that he went to me because his partner was on Godmid.
Does this mean there is one scum in {urap, ryno}? That was the godmid wagon before denmon's vote.
Ummmmm.... no? Denmon didn’t vote Godmid?

Wow I’m special.

Ryno56 · Post Post #698 (ISO) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:50 am

VOTE: DENMOD

I'll make my cases later, but I'm a bit busy IRL today

ceejayvinoya · Post Post #699 (ISO) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:14 am

VOTE: Ryno

Excuse me? Scumreads me and the worst earlier, then hops on the Denmon wagon? Woah there.