UK Eastermeet Invitational (Game over)

[Davsto]

Not at all. I can just town it up in lylo.

not gonna do you much good when town is quicklynched and no more talking can happen when they choose who to kill

again, feels like scum who doesn't get how this setup feels to town

[Fenchurch]

Poro: why do you have me as not town?

Wenna: I’m town. But I think it’s unlikely that you are. If you are this game is actually kinda hilarious for the last 2 days.

[Samantha Eyzburg]

I'm not saying you have to tell, but, like, you do not want to be in a a silent period and wanting to ask that question you'd wished you'd asked a day ago when you have a venge you need to land looming. In what is probably going to be a 6 page game pre-decision it's absolutely ludicrious (and scummy) to be complacent or slow. I know there's players that get this and this isn't really aimed at them if they're town but really.

And yet you looked like you got it. Where does the hurried mentality come from?

[Klick]

This game is not going entirely as I expected (which perhaps in itself should have been expected). Even though most or all of the people who are arguing that my usual approach to being town in Jungle of Bullshit won't work are scum, I do find it troublingly reasonable.

For the record, then, the people I have so far ruled out of being the townie are: Fen, Prozac, Nexus, Xtoxm and Davsto.

I am suddenly a lot more conscious of the 72-hour thing than I was before. It felt like all the time in the world before we actually started.

Talk to me about how you eliminated Prozac from his first post? I can see a logic to it, but I’d like to hear what was going through your head when you crossed him off the list.

Two-ish answers to my question so far, one good one bad. Everyone: how would you describe your current feelings towards this game?

Ignoring the standard problems I have with forum Mafia, I’m having fun Part of me wishes we were playing a more normal setup, but this is a fun new experience.

[Davsto]

test post to see if my dst settings are wrong

[Davsto]

fuck they are i now have an hour less to convince primate i'm town

[Davsto]

hey so primate since you missed the last hour i'm just gonna sum it up basically i obvtowned to you and while doing so confirmed my suspicions that you are town got that okay thanks xx

[Patrick]

Just so we're clear, a lynch becomes possible 5 hours from now.

[Primate]

I'm not saying you have to tell, but, like, you do not want to be in a a silent period and wanting to ask that question you'd wished you'd asked a day ago when you have a venge you need to land looming. In what is probably going to be a 6 page game pre-decision it's absolutely ludicrious (and scummy) to be complacent or slow. I know there's players that get this and this isn't really aimed at them if they're town but really.

And yet you looked like you got it. Where does the hurried mentality come from?

Sorry I don't really get what you mean here. I was reacting to tom saying he's just sort it out in lylo by saying if you're town there's no reason to assume you'll have the chance. On fri i drove home and had a bath and thought about the game a bit, and came to the conclusion I needed to be a lot more involved and share my reads more.

@David: Thanks for that.

[Primate]

I didn't have my PC set up after travelling, but am here now [nocturnal though]. Who else is town? Help :I

If you're scum can you just admit it please and save me the thoughtspace please.

[Samantha Eyzburg]

I'm not saying you have to tell, but, like, you do not want to be in a a silent period and wanting to ask that question you'd wished you'd asked a day ago when you have a venge you need to land looming. In what is probably going to be a 6 page game pre-decision it's absolutely ludicrious (and scummy) to be complacent or slow. I know there's players that get this and this isn't really aimed at them if they're town but really.

And yet you looked like you got it. Where does the hurried mentality come from?

Sorry I don't really get what you mean here. I was reacting to tom saying he's just sort it out in lylo by saying if you're town there's no reason to assume you'll have the chance. On fri i drove home and had a bath and thought about the game a bit, and came to the conclusion I needed to be a lot more involved and share my reads more.

I supposed that there was less reason to get people to move and post if you had already thought you had solved the game. And it looked like you had. I don't think xtoxm would be particulary important to you, would he?

[Primate]

Whether I'd "solved the game" or not, it doesn't matter if they run up the other townie and they venge me because their read was wrong. And Tom could be town still imho.

[Samantha Eyzburg]

And Tom could be town still imho.

Yikes.

And having said that, all hope is lost as well that you can avoid the lynch and get away with it.

Anything I can help with?

[Porochaz]

Poro: why do you have me as not town?

Wenna: I’m town. But I think it’s unlikely that you are. If you are this game is actually kinda hilarious for the last 2 days.

You are very self focused, with the veneer of looking for scum. It's fair enough face to face, but when you go "I have 2... 4... etc etc." It's not actually saying anything useful. It doesn't even look like scum hunting, you could have easily said "I have 97 scum reads" and I would have taken it about as seriously. It's actually scummier than people who have done nothing thus far.

1. Anyone who has a vote on another player in the first 24hrs after the 72 window lifts is scum to me regardless of reason.

Why this? Even if scum go for a quicklynch in town, what is the harm in town trying to get scum lynched with their vote?

I mean if you have to ask...

Klick: It doesn’t seem like the correct play here to give my reads, as then scum know 1) whether it’s safe to lynch me, or 2) who to leave alive if scum get lynched.

Normally agreed best play in JoB is to lunch the second-most scummy person, but that seems way harder to identify within 12 players.

Oh I guess I can vote already though? Let’s do it.

VOTE: CDB

Had everyone (bar Wenna) posted by this point? I don't think you vote if your town, at least not immediately. As someone who isn't an impulsive player voting for someone you cannot possibly have a proper scumread on and have in no way indicated beforehand that you did is really off.

Furthermore, isn't it the second-most townie player. Lynching the 2nd-most scummy player seems wrong?

Why did we choose to play this game??

2 scum down, 10 to go. But I guess I can't tell you who.

Wink.

I have scum reads on everyone who has scum reads... Like.. Wha? Other than a couple of people who made fairly obvious scummy posts, it seems pretty odd to get reads off a few lines...

a) everyone has a baseline 90% chance of being scum.
b) if someone is doing something that seems awkward, weird, illogical etc, and seems like they might be scum. Then they very probably are. Doesn’t mean I won’t change it if new information trumps the old read. But I have to start somewhere.

"I have scumreads unless I change my mind. Then I will have new scumreads."

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

These 72 hours have felt longer than I was expecting.

I think the most relevant fact of the game right now is that a bunch of people have cast shade on me, but no one's said either "CESscum is trying to portray Klickscum as town" or "CESscum is trying to trick Klicktown; Klick, how do I convince you that I'm town?" - the scum is trying to make Klick paranoid of me.

[Fenchurch]

Okay... well I thought I’ve already explained reasons for everything you’ve quoted Poro.

It’s anti-town if I give my reads list, because if scum are looking to kill a townie, then it tells them which of the townies is better to kill. I’ve given my number of reads instead because:
a) at least then I’m sharing

something

. It gives an indication to the other townie of what I am thinking and how I am processing the game, which might match their experiences. It might also make scum feel uncertain about lynching me. Especially as you could perhaps infer some of my reads based on who has posted and what they have posted.
b) If we get to Day 2, and I’m not a confirmed townie, then I will be able to go back through the game and explain in full what I was thinking at each stage and what the reads were, and it will make sense, and hopefully I can then demonstrate that I’m the other townie.

I voted for CDB at that point because: I felt a single vote doesn’t give away so much of my reads to be a big risk, whilst still conveying a bit about how I was feeling, and maybe push CDB to react. I also hoped it would prompt other people to vote, in general I think people voting each other would give more information away, as scum are forced to interact with and react to each other even more.

CDB was my first scumread, his entrance to the game just seemed awkward and weird. I actually don’t feel as strongly about it now, he’s more in the middle of my pack - this is part of why I retracted my vote.

I also felt, initially, that that there was no real harm in town having a vote on scum, and thus perhaps having some control of the lynch. The main thing that led me to unvote was, I realised that in the event that my scumread was wrong and I had landed a vote on the other town, that would be so incredibly damaging for the game and basically guarantee a town loss.

You’re last two quotes are repeating the same stuff I’ve already addressed. I have changed my mind on some people as the Day has gone on, and that’s something I’ll talk about in Day 2 if it’s needed.

[JackODiamonds]

OK, some wine has been wined, but let's go

Scum gonna quicklynch in 24hrs. If it's you could you kill all the scum to ensure the win? Confidence is ignorance imho.

If you can't answer this question and you're town hurry up and get into a position where you have an answer to this for your own peace of mind.

Yes. Yesyesyes, this. I'm sorta banking on being the lyncheecos preusmably I have less experience (I mean, i've played a buncha werewolf, but not here) than whoever else it is, so I can f it up on the shoot and if I don't f it up then I've still got a 50/50 to f up. So I gotta narrow my already pretty narrow "maybe town i hope" list down further. And I have zero clue how to this and most of y'all are gonna be disinclined to give good advice..

Poro: why do you have me as not town?

Wenna: I’m town. But I think it’s unlikely that you are. If you are this game is actually kinda hilarious for the last 2 days.

You are very self focused, with the veneer of looking for scum. It's fair enough face to face, but when you go "I have 2... 4... etc etc." It's not actually saying anything useful. It doesn't even look like scum hunting, you could have easily said "I have 97 scum reads" and I would have taken it about as seriously. It's actually scummier than people who have done nothing thus far.

Poro, wtf, you can't sudenly come in here and start making any sense when I've already consigned you to the scum-not-posting-anything-of-substance barrel! On the offchance i have got you wrong, please say more things cos I don't want to f this up. f

[Davsto]

Genuinlyyy tho like ezpz I solved this just hope the other townie did too bc let's face it out of the two they're getting lynhed

[ChannelDelibird]

Klick: I really didn't buy Prozac's claimed emotional state in his first post.

Jack: Why are you giving people credit for having a good reason for scumreading a player, which is literally the easiest thing for a scum player to do in this setup?

Struggling for time until this evening, post asap!

[Samantha Eyzburg]

I had somewhat been looking forward to a weekend full of mafia. (hint: any other games would've done as well. Maybe next weekend?)

Minor update to the rules: if no lynch has occurred when the end of day deadline hits, the game ends in a Town win. Obviously that rule only applies to day 1.

First person to read this gets to have a guess why this rule was made.

[Fenchurch]

First person to read this gets to have a guess why this rule was made.

I assumed it was in response to Kyrion's question in 41. Why do you ask? There's been no quicklynch yet so maybe scum had some kind of plan to wait it out?

[Fenchurch]

I had somewhat been looking forward to a weekend full of mafia.

Did you mean this game, or playing mafia on skype or something?

[Samantha Eyzburg]

First person to read this gets to have a guess why this rule was made.

I assumed it was in response to Kyrion's question in 41. Why do you ask? There's been no quicklynch yet so maybe scum had some kind of plan to wait it out?

Hah, I had missed that. That makes sense.

And no, I think that would be giving way too much credit. I was tempted to be sarcastic, but as far as I can tell there was little planning done in the pregame, and a potential quicklynch involves either that or initiative, where the latter is hard to set up without daytalk (I don't recall who or where requested it, but that would've smoothed things out).

Given the amount of talk about the exact date and time, I think scum knew as well that it wasn't going to happen, with some setting themselves up for the mistake. Or maybe I'm misreading it and the game was gearing up for it, but I think the quiet of yesterday evening (if the day is going to end you'd expect a little more feverished posting) suggests otherwise. Tone and general posting habits don't match up.

I had somewhat been looking forward to a weekend full of mafia.

Did you mean this game, or playing mafia on skype or something?

Skype mafia was probably awkward with everybody playing here as well. Mostly it'd have been a sort of busy week, yet I had most work away in the weekend and with the first deadline coming up I had hoped there would be quite a bit of activity in the game yesterday. I was ready for it! I'm a bit worried what this could mean for my fellow townie, but in time we'll find that out, I guess.

I'm on your townlist then, Fenchurch?

[Nexus]

you're not town m8

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

This game just feels weird now.