Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

[Emperor flippyNips]

You maybe should think about claiming while you're at it

Tho I’m not sure we’d be able to change wagons in 4 hours

[Shoshin]

I'm going to start by addressing Egix.

Why have you been scumreading me?

No offence intended, but have you been reading my posts? I thought I'd been explaining myself quite well but if not, I apologise.

All right then, if I'm wrong on you and you're actually town, then now's your chance to show it.

- Can you remember why you said "I'd feel tempted to self-vote in that case, RC." in post#36? Because I don't think that's a very towny attitude to have.

- You seem to ask the question "if you assume I'm town, who are the scum?" or some variation of it, often. What do you intend to achieve by asking it?

- P#798 - "I'm also sort of lazy this game because I have the backup of RC & NSG, so I feel less urgency about sorting alignments." Why those two players specifically?

- P#978 - "You're scum until you stop scumreading me." Can you remember why you said that?

- P#986 - "I don't have a solid read on either of RC or NSG." Then why were you using them as backup?

This is from looking through the first ~half of your ISO. That should be enough for the time being.

What are your reads, Egix?

{NSG, Freezer}
{Cowbells, Fumuki}
{Eyes, Wormy}

Flippy - If I be honest I don't really have a read on him atm

{Creature}
{Titus slot, Shosh}

1. None of the things you're concerned about are scummy so I'm confused about why you're scumreading me? The stuff you point to is mostly stuff you don't understand, which begs the question, why didn't you ask about these things earlier? Remember, stuff you don't understand isn't scummy, it's just stuff you don't understand.

2. 36 was a joke directed at RC based on a recent experience in Fire On The Mountain & conversations about self-voting that were taking place in the discussion forum at the time I made the post. For context, in Fire On The Mountain, I self-voted as town at the start of D1 when a bunch of players started voting me. RC was in this game. NSG modded it.

3. I asked RC & NSG to assume I'm town so that they'd have more accurate reads. I have a lot of respect for both of these players, and helping them view the game in a way that increases the accuracy of their reads is pro-town from my perspective. I also find it more helpful to read players when they assume I'm town, because then I'm able to see if their perspective on the game makes sense by comparing it with my perspective where I know I'm town. If they read me as scum, it plausibly throws everything off so it's much harder for me to evaluate whether these players are town/scum. I can point you to multiple examples of me asking this same type of question in town games, so I'm not sure why this would even be a concern for you. What's scummy about asking people to assume I'm town for the sake of discussion?

4. I said RC's scum until he stops scumreading me because I expect better from RC. I've said this exact same thing to RC before in other games where I was town, so this isn't scummy for me.

5. When I say I have the backup of RC/NSG in this game, that doesn't automatically mean they're townreads. It means I feel safe to work less hard than usual up until the point where I think RC/NSG aren't town. I think you'd understand what I'm saying more if you look at my posts as reaction tests & if you realize that my reads aren't stuck in stone, they're evolving based on how players respond to everything I say or do.

6. Why is Creature & Celica scum?

[Shoshin]

Egix jumped off of voting Celica to vote me when he claims that Celica is a top scumread for him. Why'd he do this? This doesn't make any sense from a town perspective.

[Shoshin]

For some reason, Egix prefers that I'm lynched over Titus. Why?

[GuyInFreezer]

Dear cop

RC/Shoshin > RC/NSG

kthx

[Shoshin]

Here she seems pretty lost and I...sympathize a lot with that. I feel like most of the scum would have at least a half-assed narrative on their reads, but looking in Shoshin ISO there really seems to be nothing.

What the fuck are you talking about? My reads have been very clear.

The scum are within the group of RC, Egix, Worm, Titus, and maybe Emperor/Eyes if not those four.

I've been clear about this. The players who are lost is everyone else.

[Shoshin]

GIF, unvote me. Please don't make the same mistake you made in Fire.

[GuyInFreezer]

What Fire

[Shoshin]

yes that's exactly what I'm saying, and you would know that a shoshin wagon wouldn't go through while I'm leading a different wagon at the same time because of my sheer force of will.

if you're not shoshin's buddy then vote her.

Fucking RC manipulating Fumuki into voting me. This is awful.

[Shoshin]

What Fire

NSG's game. Fire On The Mountain or whatever it's called.

[GuyInFreezer]

I wasn't in that game

[Shoshin]

Okay, pretend that you didn't suck in that game to save face. Whatever.

You're going to mislynch me again because you're letting RC manipulate you again. If this is how you play mafia, what's even the point of playing?

[Shoshin]

In order of towniness:

Fumuki
Creature
NSG
GIF
Eyes
Emperor

[GuyInFreezer]

No really. I wasn't in that game.

[Shoshin]

Okay, I got you confused with someone else.

[Shoshin]

Why are you voting me?

[GuyInFreezer]

To avoid no lynch at this point.
That is purely my reason at this moment.

[Shoshin]

I wish I had been here to stop RC from manipulating Fumuki.

Fuck.

This game's coming down to timing.

[Shoshin]

We can lynch someone else, then. There's other options GIF.

[GuyInFreezer]

Dr Worm (3) - Eyes without a face, NorthSideGal, Shoshin
Creature (1) - Crerature
Shoshin (5) - RC, Dr Worm, Egix96, Fumuki, GuyInFreezer

Not Voting (2) - Emperor flippyNips, Titus

4 hours 10 minutes left.

[Shoshin]

The only reason I'm getting lynched is because RC's manipulated a bunch of players into voting for me instead of voting for the people they actually want to lynch.

Celica was a fine lynch. GIF wants that slot dead. Fumuki wants that slot dead. NSG said it's scummy. Creature prefers Celica dead over me. Egix wants Celica dead. Eyes says I'm town. Yet everyone's voting me? What the fuck?

How do you let this happen?

[Shoshin]

We have 4 hours to lynch someone else.

Please remove your vote so that we can discuss before I get lolhammered.

[Shoshin]

You suffer no harm from removing your vote for the time being.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Dr Worm

To make it funsy for now then

[Shoshin]

We'll get the votes for a different lynch. We just need the players to show up.