Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[themilkcartonkid]

Because we get info on literally everyone in dance instead of just 4 people

[NanceFloor]

I'm gonna be honest I don't care enough about mechanics to get involved in this discussion

but RC/mbaki/Ank are pretty much the only players I personally trust to come to an at least somewhat optimal mechanical decision

soooo... let me know what to vote

- Dannflor

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm gonna be honest I don't care enough about mechanics to get involved in this discussion

but RC/mbaki/Ank are pretty much the only players I personally trust to come to an at least somewhat optimal mechanical decision

soooo... let me know what to vote

- Dannflor

you agree that me and mbaki disagreeing this hard is a pretty good sign that one of us is scum, correct?

[themilkcartonkid]

I'm gonna be honest I don't care enough about mechanics to get involved in this discussion

but RC/mbaki/Ank are pretty much the only players I personally trust to come to an at least somewhat optimal mechanical decision

soooo... let me know what to vote

- Dannflor

2 of those currently totally disagree with each other

[OkaPoka]

dann just vote dance

we just need good vibes going into coalition at this point

[Titus]

I have 9 days or until it's hammered. If RC knew I was town and he was town, he'd be all over veto. Dance gives less info for a town Totus to work with and much more for scum and ironically craptonnes for scum Titus.

no i really don't trust your mechanical skill as town and i don't care about giving you a good situation because you don't threaten me at all as scum.

Ok, if you don't value me as a player this game, then stop talking to me. I tried to rescue you from your own arrogance but I see you only got worse while I left. I'll help you when it fits for town. For everyone's sake unless you're sorting me, do not talk to me. I only deal with those who respect what little time I have to put here. I'll do the same. I may quote your posts but I am not talking to you.

When you're open to all possibilities, we can talk. When you think the rest of us townies are just fodder to obey you, I'll ignore you and policy you when it comes up.

[RadiantCowbells]

and I mean if you do the legwork yourself you'll find that i'm the one giving the mathematically correct play with no secret angles for it to be a scum advantage
while mbaki is giving a really questionable "must win this game at coalition" angle that has the secret angle of completely fucking over our odds in lylo?

[RadiantCowbells]

I have 9 days or until it's hammered. If RC knew I was town and he was town, he'd be all over veto. Dance gives less info for a town Totus to work with and much more for scum and ironically craptonnes for scum Titus.

no i really don't trust your mechanical skill as town and i don't care about giving you a good situation because you don't threaten me at all as scum.

Ok, if you don't value me as a player this game, then stop talking to me. I tried to rescue you from your own arrogance but I see you only got worse while I left. I'll help you when it fits for town. For everyone's sake unless you're sorting me, do not talk to me. I only deal with those who respect what little time I have to put here. I'll do the same. I may quote your posts but I am not talking to you.

When you're open to all possibilities, we can talk. When you think the rest of us townies are just fodder to obey you, I'll ignore you and policy you when it comes up.

i don't value you because you don't value me: you haven't addressed a word I said about why I'm correct, you've just insisted that you're right in spite of it.

[Titus]

dann just vote dance

we just need good vibes going into coalition at this point

If Dance wins, there will be no good vibes. If I must abandon veto, I will vote coalition as it is the most optimal with a wagon.

[NanceFloor]

I'm gonna be honest I don't care enough about mechanics to get involved in this discussion

but RC/mbaki/Ank are pretty much the only players I personally trust to come to an at least somewhat optimal mechanical decision

soooo... let me know what to vote

- Dannflor

you agree that me and mbaki disagreeing this hard is a pretty good sign that one of us is scum, correct?

I think it makes it a lot more probable, yes

- Dannflor

[OkaPoka]

if we dont have good vibes going into coalition we are going to be torn apart by our own egos and it doesnt matter how good anyone's reads are by then

[RadiantCowbells]

no one has actually presented an argument for why I am posing the wrong strategy for us to have the highest possible odds of winning this game before endgame.
if someone does that i'll address it. everyone has just given fragmented cases of "oh well we have marginally better odds of winning at coalition if we do x even if it screws us over later"

sometimes games are like fire on the mountain and the obvious answers aren't always right and if this game is going to be like that then me being as obstinate here as I have been is the only reason we'll have a chance in late game.

[Titus]

I have 9 days or until it's hammered. If RC knew I was town and he was town, he'd be all over veto. Dance gives less info for a town Totus to work with and much more for scum and ironically craptonnes for scum Titus.

no i really don't trust your mechanical skill as town and i don't care about giving you a good situation because you don't threaten me at all as scum.

Ok, if you don't value me as a player this game, then stop talking to me. I tried to rescue you from your own arrogance but I see you only got worse while I left. I'll help you when it fits for town. For everyone's sake unless you're sorting me, do not talk to me. I only deal with those who respect what little time I have to put here. I'll do the same. I may quote your posts but I am not talking to you.

When you're open to all possibilities, we can talk. When you think the rest of us townies are just fodder to obey you, I'll ignore you and policy you when it comes up.

i don't value you because you don't value me: you haven't addressed a word I said about why I'm correct, you've just insisted that you're right in spite of it.

Well, you might as well eat your own words here. I have addressed why Dance is bad. You ignored it wholesale.

[RadiantCowbells]

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[OkaPoka]

where is clemency when u need him

[OkaPoka]

i think its possible for both of you to be right based on how you would want to dictate this game and play it


but at this point it is better for us to agree and move on then continue arguing

[NanceFloor]

I thought your issues with mbaki's plan stemmed from thinking Vengeful could be used in LyLo? Did I miss another part to it
- Dannflor

[Titus]

if we dont have good vibes going into coalition we are going to be torn apart by our own egos and it doesnt matter how good anyone's reads are by then

Here's an idea, mute RC and we have great vibes. Ank and Nancy are honest. You're a good solver. Mbaki is trying to work with people despite RC gunning for him.

We just need the lurkers out here talking.

[OkaPoka]

i am definitely not a good solver by any means

[Titus]

i think its possible for both of you to be right based on how you would want to dictate this game and play it


but at this point it is better for us to agree and move on then continue arguing

RC and I have similar reads but I am not agreeing to hinder town and mislynch mbaki because RC is more charismatic than me.

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm not saying there's not a possibility that we just crush this game early. i'm not saying that I don't expect to win the game outright at coalition. in fact i would bet 2/3 of the time ish we win the game with my current coalition
we might even win without me having to make a coalition or literally do anything. and that's fine. and i'm happy if that happens. i don't like playing difficult games. i like easy games.

but what if this isn't going to be an easy game? what if optimizing the order of our abilities for the entire game gives us the chance to lynch 2 more players (hint: that's approximately the advantage of my plan over everyone elses) and one of those 2 players was the last scum? that's why I play the way that I do. my reads may not be perfect but I have played enough mafia to understand

how to play the game

.

[OkaPoka]

mbaki is not going to be lynched

the people who are agreeing with rc are not doing it because they sheep rc, everyone has come to their own independent conclusion on why dance is superior. this means if rc decides to make the game him vs mbaki, he won't have the same base of support

[RadiantCowbells]

like in 864. i was planning all these wild gambits around nancy drew fakeclaiming innos just to see if someone slipped up and gave a scummy answer and to bait scum into making an incorrect decision.
Did it matter? no. scum was exactly who I had said it was since the beginning of day 1 and whom we didn't lynch on d2 because okapoka was being a numpty.

but what if S_S wasn't scum?

[OkaPoka]

some might say

he has assembled a coalition

rather than a vassalage

[OkaPoka]

rc ur going to give me the grumpies