Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[RadiantCowbells]

i don't have to make the game me vs mbaki now but if my coalition doesn't win the game we're probably going to have to fight!

[0verki11]

VOTE: Dance
yeah looking again we get a shit ton of info from this.

[OkaPoka]

well last time mbaki was town he self voted out of the grumpies

and last time i played with you you also self voted out of the grumpies

[Titus]

mbaki is not going to be lynched

the people who are agreeing with rc are not doing it because they sheep rc, everyone has come to their own independent conclusion on why dance is superior. this means if rc decides to make the game him vs mbaki, he won't have the same base of support

And do you really think I was heard? Dance is just handing scum the keys here. VCA is impossible on Dance. Looking back on votes is impossible. Forming teamwork is impossible. Accountability is impossible. Dance is garbage.

[RadiantCowbells]

most of the time everything that i'm doing now is going to be a waste. and that's

fine

. that's who I am.
most of the time isn't good enough for me. i want to win the game 100% of the time or as close as I can possibly get to that number.

And do you really think I was heard? Dance is just handing scum the keys here. VCA is impossible on Dance. Looking back on votes is impossible. Forming teamwork is impossible. Accountability is impossible. Dance is garbage.

what if we literally just ignore all these things and see it as an opportunity to get rid of 2 players who weren't getting townblocked

[RadiantCowbells]

like i don't give a shit about info. i'm not with tmck and co. about how much "info" it's going to be. i think scum can easily fuck with that. i just want the ability to kill 2 people without losing tmck or burning venge or veto.

[Titus]

VOTE: Dance
yeah looking again we get a shit ton of info from this.

*pulls hair out*

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus you still haven't quoted your argument for why Dance is inferior to Veto here.

[Titus]

@Taly

If we veto the lurkers and wagoned slots from yesterday, we figure out a lot about what happened day 1. That also puts us in a great spot for narrowing coalitions as scum must kill scummy people and lhf.
In dance, scum can obscure them entirely. It also leaves little data for later.

[RadiantCowbells]

That doesn't factor in

1) that we can still kill relatively LHF no matter how the teams are set up
2) the way that teams are paired is absolutely data for later
3) the opportunity cost of vetoing before coalition

it's an extremely narrow look at the problem.

[chennisden]

if we double hit scum we cant veto because there is one scum left

so?

[RadiantCowbells]

well shit

we better not double hit scum then

[chennisden]

oh no what if we HIT SCUM

[RadiantCowbells]

oh shit

[RadiantCowbells]

fuck.

[OkaPoka]

I was responding to TMCK.

[Titus]

That doesn't factor in

1) that we can still kill relatively LHF no matter how the teams are set up
2) the way that teams are paired is absolutely data for later
3) the opportunity cost of vetoing before coalition

it's an extremely narrow look at the problem.

1) It's the LHF scum want dead, not the VCA useful ones at best.
2)Yes but not data we can work with without flips. Many flips.
3) Veto should happen before coalition.

[OkaPoka]

Let me summarize the interaction:

TMCK asked whether we could or could not use coalition after hitting scum in a dance.

I responded, as clearly as possible, no, because that would violate one of the prerequisites of coalitioning. I went to explain how that would violate the prerequisite of coalitioning. What is the question here, chennis?

[chennisden]

veto after coalition.

i ran the numbers.

[chennisden]

Let me summarize the interaction:

TMCK asked whether we could or could not use coalition after hitting scum in a dance.

I responded, as clearly as possible, no, because that would violate one of the prerequisites of coalitioning. I went to explain how that would violate the prerequisite of coalitioning. What is the question here, chennis?

nvm then

[OkaPoka]

No, I think rc is right here. Veto after. Dance, coalition, veto, then we can decide from there. Quick question though. If we dance and hit scum somehow, we cant use coalition, right?

if we double hit scum we cant veto because there is one scum left

[RadiantCowbells]

also guys holy fuck

this looks amazing



joaquin phoenix is my favorite actor but

[RadiantCowbells]

if we double hit scum we cant veto because there is one scum left

hmm

[Titus]

veto after coalition.

i ran the numbers.

This can die now.

[RadiantCowbells]

That doesn't factor in

1) that we can still kill relatively LHF no matter how the teams are set up
2) the way that teams are paired is absolutely data for later
3) the opportunity cost of vetoing before coalition

it's an extremely narrow look at the problem.

1) It's the LHF scum want dead, not the VCA useful ones at best.
2)Yes but not data we can work with without flips. Many flips.
3) Veto should happen before coalition.

3) why?
2) not true at all.
1) /shrug i don't agree that scum are going to choose their pools to deprive YOU of your vca.