Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

Egix96 · Post Post #2100 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:53 pm

Shosh/Titus prob not s/s any more based on recent interactions.

Shoshin · Post Post #2101 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:11 am

In post 2099, Egix96 wrote:You have to consider that we weren't yet confirmed to be getting an extension and there wasn't much time left at that time. It seemed to me like the Celica wagon was losing steam and yours was gaining, so I didn't want to risk a no-lynch by leaving my vote where it was.

This doesn't make any sense.

Celica was at three votes, I was at two, and Worm was at four. If you're trying to avoid a no lynch, why didn't you vote for Worm? And how would voting me increase the likelihood of a lynch over keeping your vote on Celica?

Titus · Post Post #2102 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:47 am

Sho, can you quote the VCs which you're referencing here?

Shoshin · Post Post #2103 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:20 am

This is the progression of votes:

Spoiler:

I got Worm's wagon wrong -- he was at three votes when Egix voted me -- but my broader point still holds. When Egix voted me, Celica had three votes while I had two.

Yet Egix says he voted me to prevent a no lynch? That doesn't square with the game at all. Creature had just expressed an unwillingness to lynch me (post 1902). Eyes made it clear that I was one of her top townreads, so she wasn't going to vote me anytime soon. I had recently expressed an openness to voting Celica (starting in post 1836 and continuing up to the point Egix voted me).

Shoshin · Post Post #2104 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:21 am

In post 2099, Egix96 wrote:It seemed to me like the Celica wagon was losing steam and yours was gaining, so I didn't want to risk a no-lynch by leaving my vote where it was.

RC/Worm voting me was indication that my wagon had more steam than Celica's? Please explain how you came to this conclusion.

Titus · Post Post #2105 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:24 am

Shosin, permission to ninja?

Shoshin · Post Post #2106 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:24 am

I don't know what that means.

Titus · Post Post #2107 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:30 am

In post 2106, Shoshin wrote:I don't know what that means.

You asked edge about momentum. It's a pretty simple answer as to why a vote like that may occur.

Ninjaing would let me explain it for expediency if you're casing him. If you're resorting, we'd be better off waiting.

Shoshin · Post Post #2108 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:32 am

I don't know what you mean by the term "ninja."

Shoshin · Post Post #2109 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:35 am

Egix, why townread Worm?

Shoshin · Post Post #2110 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:37 am

Eyes, what're your current reads? I'd like an updated list from you given all the new posts in the game.

Titus · Post Post #2111 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:46 am

In post 2108, Shoshin wrote:I don't know what you mean by the term "ninja."

Cut in front..in this case answer the question you put forth to Enix about wagon momentum.

Shoshin · Post Post #2112 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:52 am

I'd like to know your reads as well, Titus.

Egix96 · Post Post #2113 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:55 am

In post 2101, Shoshin wrote:
In post 2099, Egix96 wrote:You have to consider that we weren't yet confirmed to be getting an extension and there wasn't much time left at that time. It seemed to me like the Celica wagon was losing steam and yours was gaining, so I didn't want to risk a no-lynch by leaving my vote where it was.
This doesn't make any sense.

Celica was at three votes, I was at two, and Worm was at four. If you're trying to avoid a no lynch, why didn't you vote for Worm? And how would voting me increase the likelihood of a lynch over keeping your vote on Celica?

Why would I vote Wormy if I was townleaning him?

The reason why I thought Celica wasn't likely to be lynched any more was because Cowbells was all like "we're lynching me or Shosh today!" and since there's a chance he's the cop's N1 peek I thought I might as well go along with that.

Titus · Post Post #2114 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:59 am

In post 2112, Shoshin wrote:I'd like to know your reads as well, Titus.

When I know, you'll know. I've spent most of the thread interacting with you...Since I don't have VCA data, my reads are rough at best.

Egix96 · Post Post #2115 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:59 am

In post 2109, Shoshin wrote:Egix, why townread Worm?

If I be honest here, I really just get an overall towny feel from his posts. He doesn't seem like he's playing to any sort of scum agenda and, as I showed before, there were a handful of posts of his that showed he wasn't being completely ineffectual.

Egix96 · Post Post #2116 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:01 am

In post 2114, Titus wrote:
In post 2112, Shoshin wrote:I'd like to know your reads as well, Titus.
When I know, you'll know. I've spent most of the thread interacting with you...Since I don't have VCA data, my reads are rough at best.

Reading people's post and actions is usually adequate. VCA should come secndary to that imo.

mcqueen · Post Post #2117 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:05 am

Good job guys, activity over the last 2 days has been great!

Votecount 2.4

Dr Worm (4)

- Eyes without a face, northsidegal, Shoshin, GuyInFreezer

Shoshin (4)

- brassherald, Dr Worm, Egix96, Fumuki

Creature (1)

- Creature

Not Voting (2) - Emperor flippyNips, Titus

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

The deadline is on Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 12:00 pm EST, which is in (expired on 2019-05-04 11:00:00).

northsidegal is receiving a final prod. She has 48 hours to post or she will be replaced.

Titus · Post Post #2118 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:10 am

In post 2116, Egix96 wrote:
In post 2114, Titus wrote:
In post 2112, Shoshin wrote:I'd like to know your reads as well, Titus.
When I know, you'll know. I've spent most of the thread interacting with you...Since I don't have VCA data, my reads are rough at best.
Reading people's post and actions is usually adequate. VCA should come secndary to that imo.

Well, you've never played with me. I'm best late in games because hard data run my decisions. I play mafia to get better at the former.

Shoshin · Post Post #2119 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:33 am

In post 2113, Egix96 wrote:The reason why I thought Celica wasn't likely to be lynched any more was because Cowbells was all like "we're lynching me or Shosh today!" and since there's a chance he's the cop's N1 peek I thought I might as well go along with that.

You don't think there's a chance cop checked me?

Did you see anyone voting RC? Why'd you follow RC without questioning his "1v1" premise?

Shoshin · Post Post #2120 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:44 am

In post 1902, Creature wrote:RC, Shoshin and I are never getting lynched.

What did you think of this post when you read it, Egix?

Titus · Post Post #2121 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:32 am

In post 2119, Shoshin wrote:
In post 2113, Egix96 wrote:The reason why I thought Celica wasn't likely to be lynched any more was because Cowbells was all like "we're lynching me or Shosh today!" and since there's a chance he's the cop's N1 peek I thought I might as well go along with that.
You don't think there's a chance cop checked me?

Did you see anyone voting RC? Why'd you follow RC without questioning his "1v1" premise?

No one should answer the first question Shoshin asked.

Egix96 · Post Post #2122 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:44 am

In post 2118, Titus wrote:
In post 2116, Egix96 wrote:
In post 2114, Titus wrote:
In post 2112, Shoshin wrote:I'd like to know your reads as well, Titus.
When I know, you'll know. I've spent most of the thread interacting with you...Since I don't have VCA data, my reads are rough at best.
Reading people's post and actions is usually adequate. VCA should come secndary to that imo.
Well, you've never played with me. I'm best late in games because hard data run my decisions. I play mafia to get better at the former.

So you play mafia to get better at playing mafia... how novel.

In post 2119, Shoshin wrote:
In post 2113, Egix96 wrote:The reason why I thought Celica wasn't likely to be lynched any more was because Cowbells was all like "we're lynching me or Shosh today!" and since there's a chance he's the cop's N1 peek I thought I might as well go along with that.
You don't think there's a chance cop checked me?

Did you see anyone voting RC? Why'd you follow RC without questioning his "1v1" premise?

Anyone who was voting Cowbells there was risking outing the cop. And that last question, I'm not gonna answer, because I think it's rolefishing.

In post 2120, Shoshin wrote:
In post 1902, Creature wrote:RC, Shoshin and I are never getting lynched.
What did you think of this post when you read it, Egix?

I thought those were empty words.

Shoshin · Post Post #2123 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:10 am

In post 2121, Titus wrote:No one should answer the first question Shoshin asked.

Why not?

From the perspective of everyone but the cop, the answer to that question is, "yes." Scum know that cop didn't check them because there wasn't a guilty. And town know don't now who cop checked. As such, it's possible that I was checked.

I'd argue it's more likely I was checked than RC because there's more players with strong townreads on me than RC.

Shoshin · Post Post #2124 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:13 am

VOTE: Egix

I think this is scum.