Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

[Fumuki]

Shoshin, if we lynch Egix and he flips town.

Who is next?

[Shoshin]

If Egix is town, maybe Eyes/Worm/Titus as scum? I don't know.

[Shoshin]

Maybe Emperor.

[Fumuki]

To be honest, I almost regret having spent my time reading so much mafia games this afternoon but since this is probably my last game so be it.

[Shoshin]

Your last game ever?

[Fumuki]

Maybe yes maybe not

who knows

I've some history of coming back eventually

[Fumuki]

I've done enough side work

reading ISOs now

let's see

[Shoshin]

I like you & hope we have a chance to play more games. But if this if the only one, let's please make it a memorable one!

[Fumuki]

Thanks Shoshin, regardless of your alignment.

This game is pretty overwhelming though, it's hard to feel confident in leading something when there's You/RC/NSG here.

I kind of wanted to just sheep one of you, but RC wasn't that townie, you certainly isn't that townie right now, and NSG wasn't that active.

A bit troublesome gamestate I guess.

[Fumuki]

There's lots of games where I play this way for a portion of the game, Buki. You might want to keep reading my games if you think anything I've done is scummy for me.

Shoshin, now that you townread me, can you back this up?

Don't need to link or anything, just what you remember.

[Shoshin]

Labyrinth Mafia.

[Shoshin]

And almost every game since.

[Fumuki]

Buki, what do you make of Celica's townread on me?

Did Celica even had a town read on you tbh?

Those walls were too tiring, I didn't really read everything

Didn't you call me scummy for skimming over long posts? If that's scummy for me (it's not), why isn't it scummy for you?

bad posting

that said, now that I think I know a bit more about Shoshin, I don't think her ISO in

Day 1

was as scummy as I first thought. That said it's not town either.

It's like...unusual Shoshin, having an unusual game, be it whatever alignment she is.

[Fumuki]

Shoshin, what made your change your mind on your read on me?

[Fumuki]

If Celica's scum, GIF's confirmed town. If Celica's town, GIF's likely town but plausible scum.

Explain this in more detail?

Isn't GiF trying to associate me with Celica so quickly something that a possible Celica's scumbuddy would do?

To already have a narrative in case of their partner flipping?

[Fumuki]

Also speaking of Shoshin

1) why did you effort enough in 864, a game that you weren't even in, to have a correct solve while having done fuck all in this game
2) why did you have me as locktown in that game, a game I objectively was less clearly in my town meta, but you can't read me correctly this game

spicy shit

[Fumuki]

Shoshin has indeed not really put much effort into 864, and her town read on RC there mostly came from VC since RC lynched scum in day 1. Case dismissed I guess.

Shoshin maybe is scum but not for those reasons I think.

[Fumuki]

She's a player who values her scum game too much to just lurk and let herself be lynched and who has done that an exceeding amount as town.

I always thought that if Celica was an alt, I already knew who she was.

I think this makes me even more confident on my guess.

That said, I'm not really strong on the slot and it's only an alt anyway, it can go either way.

[Fumuki]

@Creature why did you feel like you had became a terrible mafia player? I absolutely need to answer this.

[Shoshin]

Shoshin, what made your change your mind on your read on me?

I think the amount of work you put into the game, not only in thread but reading outside meta, was too much to ignore. I initially scumread you because I thought you were faking meta but the more I thought about this the more likely it seemed that you genuinely believed what you were saying.

[Shoshin]

Explain this in more detail?

Isn't GiF trying to associate me with Celica so quickly something that a possible Celica's scumbuddy would do?

To already have a narrative in case of their partner flipping?

Unlikely but possible.

[Fumuki]

Yeah I don't do much busywork as scum, as scum you only need to sound convincing when pushing lynches and you can sound more convincing by pushing paranoia reads than meta details in my experience.

I'm reading the game again and I feel like I'm for the first time, solving it?

It's a very rare thing for me to feel good about my late reads by the way.

[Shoshin]

I'd appreciate if you could assume I'm town for today. This will make solving together a lot easier.

[Fumuki]

Very very rare for me to like my reads in late game.

I'm always distracted in late game by something, especially playstyle clash, and it very often makes me depressed because I think my first reads are always average, but keep getting worse as the time goes on.

When I first joined the site, I couldn't understand why blacklisting was a thing. I'm starting to realize now that it's a necessity though. It's basically unplayable and unenjoyable otherwise.

[Shoshin]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=79402

I recommend reading this.