Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[OkaPoka]

Then again scum him might have not had a saying in scum pairings

[OkaPoka]

Aren't dance games permanent partners

[themilkcartonkid]

I think everyone should reveal their public townreads

[Titus]

Aren't dance games permanent partners

No.

Going backwards now.

I had a very rough day but I will try to explain my reads again.

[Titus]

Here are the pairings for the Dance:

Player 1	Player 2
RadiantCowbells	0verki11
mbaki	NanceFloor
OkaPoka	BrightEyedFish
Time Devil	themilkcartonkid
Ankamius	Clemency
Creature	Chemist1422
Taly	JohnnyEnglish
chennisden	Titus

Well, that sucks, my #1 and #2 preferred lynches are off the table. :/

Why did we vote this again?

Posts like this are why I take issue with ND.

I warned everyone this type of lynch setup would happen. They crawled up RC's ass and gas lighted me as if I was crazy.

Now that my prediction has come true, they act surprised.

[NanceFloor]

I mostly just don't understand what approach you're taking with this game that results in those reads Titus

Can you elaborate on this?

Same question to

Nancefloor

on

Titus

and any reads they're willing to share.

Titus’ reads don’t make any sense to me at all.

I think overkill11 and TD are probably scum and this pair ordering just reinforces it. I don’t know about Titus but If there’s scum in Chen/Titus pair, I lean more towards Titus over Chenn.

[Creature]

I had a very rough day

Been having rough mafia days lately.

[NanceFloor]

I had a very rough day

Been having rough mafia days lately.

Try getting mislynched at LYLO before you cast a vote or make a single post, now that’s what I’d call “rough”.

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm the towniest player in this game and people are already pushing reveals on me on day 2?

[RadiantCowbells]

That doesn’t really make sense though. Mbaki is probably town and I think this list doubles that down for me as scum would be more likely to pair me with a weak scum player, which mbaki clearly isn’t.

~N

you realize that I can't go after mbaki today because they're paired with you, correct?

[RadiantCowbells]

I think RC should be the Reveal over Titus. In any case, why does scum!RC pair himself with Overkill11?

why am I the reveal at all?

[NanceFloor]

i'm the towniest player in this game and people are already pushing reveals on me on day 2?

I didn’t, I said a reveal on you is better than on Titus. Well you know, that was the case for me on that MU game I just got mislynched in, so I’m probably not in the right frame of mind to comment on this.

[NanceFloor]

That doesn’t really make sense though. Mbaki is probably town and I think this list doubles that down for me as scum would be more likely to pair me with a weak scum player, which mbaki clearly isn’t.

~N

you realize that I can't go after mbaki today because they're paired with you, correct?

I’m happy you can read me correctly here.

[RadiantCowbells]

RC is what mbaki wrote about you true

i literally didn't read his posts, you're welcome to pass them forward

also you guys are all really bad for townreading mbaki.

[NanceFloor]

mbaki, who do you think scum!you would have wanted to pair with?

- Dann

[mbaki]

mbaki, who do you think scum!you would have wanted to pair with?

- Dann

I answered this in my post. I am not repeating myself.

[mbaki]

RC is what mbaki wrote about you true

i literally didn't read his posts, you're welcome to pass them forward

also you guys are all really bad for townreading mbaki.

The fact I would lose so much respect for you if this is your town game is mostly why I'm wolfreading you. I don't think you're this bad. Call it a compliment.

[RadiantCowbells]

Creature has been signup banned for one month for intentionally getting himself modkilled in Sam and Fuzzy Mash by character claiming while expressing awareness that this was against the rules and intent to do it again in the future.

lol

[mbaki]

Dann, Ank, Taly, Titus. Aside from myself and RC (and a couple edge people), you are the only non-LHF in this lobby. All 4 of you have independently come to the conclusion I'm town. All 4 of you have prior experience of me, and at least 3 of you have played with both of my alignments - I don't think Dann's seen my scum game iirc. Do you not see why its an issue that RC has me as lock scum here? Either I pocketed all 4 of you, or he is very probably wolf. Which of those do you think is more likely?

[OkaPoka]

But RC is very likely wolf. Y ou need to keep in mind that in NK15's normal that ended a month or so ago, RC specifically brought up that I am not good at scum, and in that game RC did tunnel me day 1. I think he's full of shit and scum reads me every game (see: Rapier), but in Rapier he claimed that his read on me was a reaction test. If I believe that, then his read here as a full on scum read with complete confidence is garbage and very scum indicative. RC also hard busses day 1 almost every setup like this, see his comments in post game of NSG's last crapshoot game, and see FOTM (where I locked him as scum like d3 for doing the same shit - granted he was wolfier a bit there). I am not claiming complete confidence he's scum, but there's a lot of indicators, and if he is wolf he's just going to win after I die because that's what RC does. Look at what happened - I was the first vote on Fusco, and asked people to vote him, despite BEF wolfreading me and despite Overkill being a much easier option. Yes, this was RC's read first, and that is a thing to note, but he's saying I'm lock scum after being the FIRST vote on a wolf when my playstyle is heavy distancing but very anti hard-bussing in most lobbies. His whole read is just convoluted and awful. Or, look at him on the last day phase - he kept trying to convince people I was conf scum for giving mechanical information he disagreed with. This ignored my well-detailed explanations completely. His mindset in terms of mechanics isn't wolfy necessarily, the benefit of using our good powers late is definitely there, but early while there are more town voices alive to give input is far stronger. And again, after a d1 scum lynch in this setup, wolves are in a real real bad spot. Keeping the pressure up has a lot to focus on. So no, I'm not sure RC is wolf, but there's a good chance, and if we are TvT then he would've noticed that in my last wall about mechanics rather than doubling his read I think. And Overkill is just a good bet for scum, though I've heard this is his town game from somebody (Ank? please expand).

this is the relevant part to you rc

[RadiantCowbells]

RC also hard busses day 1 almost every setup like this, see his comments in post game of NSG's last crapshoot game, and see FOTM (where I locked him as scum like d3 for doing the same shit - granted he was wolfier a bit there).

I've bussed exceedingly rarely over the last year or so and I bussed in FOTM to abuse the meta of having not bussed in a long time because otherwise the prospect of driving 6 mislynches was very unpleasant. In a setup like this where the game is far easier for scum the more scum that they have alive I never lead a wagon on my partner, and if I do I do a better job of it than I did in this game. I even said in FOTM that I feel like when there's less scum alive people are far more interested in pursuing me as town b/c they feel more confident in the win and when people feel more confident in the win they universally go after me as the "long shot" preventing them from winning. You'll notice there was no talk of revealing me until we hit scum and everyone felt pretty good about town's chances of winning.

The idea of "bussing" by setting up my partners associatives in a game where only one of us goes to AP is entirely irrelevant to mafia.

Also: I called Mbaki/Fusco's interactions SvS before either of them flipped. I still think they're SvS. If he knows that at some point I'm going to murder Fusco and then go after him next, he needs as much tcred as he can get. Why wouldn't he lead on his partner when I expressed a strong scumread and every game that he has seen me in my scumreads have been the ones going down.

I don't feel like this is a productive conversation for right now because the structure of the game prevents me from making a move on him for a long time.

[mbaki]

might as well cite proof while i'm bored

You highly overrate your abilities. You are the fifth best scum player on MS and the people who are ahead of you bring a lot to the table that you don't.

And Eddie cane doesn't even make the list, no offense

VOTE: Mbaki

you had a good run. bye.

(and iso him here for more of his "reaction test")
later in that iso he talks about it being a rxn read but i cba finding it

grapes, Arsonist, lynched Day 1

The Arsonists, Ankamius and RadiantCowbells, have achieved parity.

No it should be at least 5

As is I'd want to bus D1

[Creature]

I had a very rough day

Been having rough mafia days lately.

Try getting mislynched at LYLO before you cast a vote or make a single post, now that’s what I’d call “rough”.

I've gone worse.

[Creature]

Creature has been signup banned for one month for intentionally getting himself modkilled in Sam and Fuzzy Mash by character claiming while expressing awareness that this was against the rules and intent to do it again in the future.

lol

What I called rough.

[RadiantCowbells]

???

the anuket topaz thing is purely a mechanical statement and has nothing to do with my own personal proclivities towards or away from bussing.
I talk a lot about how bussing is optimal in a lot of situations and then don't do it because it's not optimal in my own personal circumstances.