Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[Creature]

That game sucked regardless of the outcome.

[OkaPoka]

wait

when is being the 5th best player on ms an insult

also why do my posts keep disappearing

[RadiantCowbells]

Mbaki is twisting setups where there's a very very good mechanical reason to bus to argue for why I'd be willing to lead on my partner in this one where it would be massively detrimental to my teams chances of winning.

[Creature]

Dann, Ank, Taly, Titus. Aside from myself and RC (and a couple edge people), you are the only non-LHF in this lobby. All 4 of you have independently come to the conclusion I'm town. All 4 of you have prior experience of me, and at least 3 of you have played with both of my alignments - I don't think Dann's seen my scum game iirc. Do you not see why its an issue that RC has me as lock scum here? Either I pocketed all 4 of you, or he is very probably wolf. Which of those do you think is more likely?

Mbaki is town

[RadiantCowbells]

Otherwise I think that Mbaki is basically proving my point for him

[mbaki]

And if you include AP, that is every vanillaish game I've seen you play or comment on since coming back, and you're telling me you wouldn't hard bus? For real? In a setup like this where getting into the town bloc is all scum has to do since there's barely lynching?

Also: I called Mbaki/Fusco's interactions SvS before either of them flipped. I still think they're SvS. If he knows that at some point I'm going to murder Fusco and then go after him next, he needs as much tcred as he can get. Why wouldn't he lead on his partner when I expressed a strong scumread and every game that he has seen me in my scumreads have been the ones going down.

Yes, scum!me saw you hard pushing my partner, saw every single other player pushing either BEF or Overkill or some other lynch, and I decided I had to get on top of it a day or two before deadline and murderize my partner when he had no votes. And then when it was meant with resistance and town reads, I still told people to vote it, because I needed the edge on town!RC after he had already pointed out our associatives like the genius he is.

Bull fucking shit, fuck off.

[Creature]

wait

when is being the 5th best player on ms an insult

I'd happily take that spot as consolation.

[mbaki]

Mbaki is twisting setups where there's a very very good mechanical reason to bus to argue for why I'd be willing to lead on my partner in this one where it would be massively detrimental to my teams chances of winning.

Kay so remember how you always bitch about how toxic games get? That is where this discussion is going, and using this as a scum tactic is why games get toxic. You didn't read my wall, because you're so confident I'm scum despite the 5 now next best players in the lobby townreading me, that you don't need to sort me? Sure buddy. But this is not a productive discussion to have.

Please go read my post, then come back and we can continue. I'll play nice if you do.

[RadiantCowbells]

and he's argued that I'm "less wolfy" than fire on the mountain: that's a massive understatement.

I straight up played to scum wincon the entirety of fire on the mountain. I had my path to endgame, I bussed a teammate so I wouldn't have to try too hard, then I let a bunch of lynches go by. I didn't fight lynches on my townreads all that hard, I led random ass lynches, I didn't have a coherent game plan, whatever. everything I did led to my win condition.

If people had an ounce of ability to look past the basics and see what I'm actually doing every single thing I have done this game would have been bad if I was scum.

Yes, scum!me saw you hard pushing my partner, saw every single other player pushing either BEF or Overkill or some other lynch, and I decided I had to get on top of it a day or two before deadline and murderize my partner when he had no votes. And then when it was meant with resistance and town reads, I still told people to vote it, because I needed the edge on town!RC after he had already pointed out our associatives like the genius he is.

Bull fucking shit, fuck off.

Firebringer was far more townread than Fusco was and he still went down in a very similar lobby to this one. I'm genuinely curious why you're wasting my time with this.

[mbaki]

wait

when is being the 5th best player on ms an insult

I'd happily take that spot as consolation.

He was calling Boon the 5th best scum player on MS. He said I didn't make the list.

[Creature]

My towngames keep sucking lately.

[OkaPoka]

wait

when is being the 5th best player on ms an insult

I'd happily take that spot as consolation.

He was calling Boon the 5th best scum player on MS. He said I didn't make the list.

oh

[Creature]

My towngames keep sucking lately.

I'm glad I used reddit and left it pretty early, made me realise that.

[RadiantCowbells]

if you're town mbaki there's literally no reason that we need to engage with each other at all right now. you're never lynching my pairing, i don't want to lynch yours.

[mbaki]

Yes, there is. I need the thread to sort my alignment while the better players are still alive.

[OkaPoka]

creature/chemist pairing feels like an afterthought/last ones left in the pool

anyone else?

[RadiantCowbells]

the game will be over a significant amount of the time before any relevant slots start dying off and you should know this
the only reason for you to be having this fight right now is because you're trying to fight your way into the coalition over my objections. talking about game plans as scum?

[Ankamius]

so

RC

what are your reads on the pairings atm

[mbaki]

most want to kill
{RC, Overkill}
{Creature, Chem}
{Oka, BEF}
{Chen, Titus}
{Ank, Clem}
least want to kill

You say I'm never killing you today, which I already said is probably true if you were actually sorting me and read my posts, but that doesn't matter. TMCK already wants to put you and not me nor one of my top 3 trs JE in the coalition. If we kill two townies today, there will be 11:3 14 alive and 8 in the coalition. That means we need every townie except 3, and me / JE not being in it makes it 1, and you being in it means its fails imo. Even if you're town (x doubt, but not impossible), me / JE not being in it makes it mathematically very very unlikely to succeed. So yes, sorting you and myself now is fine. And I don't mean sorting each other from our pov's, I mean from the rest of the thread.

So

the game will be over a significant amount of the time before any relevant slots start dying off and you should know this
the only reason for you to be having this fight right now is because you're trying to fight your way into the coalition over my objections. talking about game plans as scum?

how exactly is this true? from a town!me pov, how will the game be over a significant amount of time before any relevant slots die?

[mbaki]

if you're town mbaki there's literally no reason that we need to engage with each other at all right now. you're never lynching my pairing, i don't want to lynch yours.

if you're town rc you're misreading me day 2 after i murderized the person you called scum and then did not put any effort in to lynching just like last game because i made a read off your read and actually got it done. the exact same thing as rapier with maria. this time you don't get to lie about it being a reaction test though.

:O

[mbaki]

btw

???

the anuket topaz thing is purely a mechanical statement and has nothing to do with my own personal proclivities towards or away from bussing.
I talk a lot about how bussing is optimal in a lot of situations and then don't do it because it's not optimal in my own personal circumstances.

"As is I'd want to bus D1"

this is a purely mechanical statement?? lmfao

[mbaki]

Dann, Ank, Taly, Titus. Aside from myself and RC (and a couple edge people), you are the only non-LHF in this lobby. All 4 of you have independently come to the conclusion I'm town. All 4 of you have prior experience of me, and at least 3 of you have played with both of my alignments - I don't think Dann's seen my scum game iirc. Do you not see why its an issue that RC has me as lock scum here? Either I pocketed all 4 of you, or he is very probably wolf. Which of those do you think is more likely?

Mbaki is town

unfortunately friend i still have you as wolf

[OkaPoka]

upon rereading conf bias iso i dont think that it points his slot to town anymore

[OkaPoka]

i feel like i may have been pocketed a bit and there were a lot of posts about specifically playstyle (which probably was triggered by rc wanting to PL him) but still

[mbaki]

yes, this is boon's town game. i've played with him something like 50 times and i don't think i've been pocketed by his scum game once.