Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[Ankamius]

i don't understand your reluctance to lynch in a pool that is confirmed to contain scum. i don't.

because getting townflips on my scumreads will do more for my reads than getting townflips on my townreads?

[RadiantCowbells]

why do they matter?

everyone's advocating doing the exact opposite of what I want anyway, outing my reads just makes it easier for you guys to zero on on exactly who i am most townreading to speedlynch them

ftr

I'm mad at you specifically because you're advocating these plays that do nothing to help me get anywhere in the game and you've resisted actually playing with us when I asked and then told you to multiple times

I thought I proved that I'd work with you if you worked with me with the Oka/BEF thing but I'm not going to sit here and pull teeth every day phase for you to work with us

do you think i should be prioritizing 'getting you anywhere in the game' or finishing this game as cleanly and painlessly as possible for all parties

[themilkcartonkid]

why do they matter?

everyone's advocating doing the exact opposite of what I want anyway, outing my reads just makes it easier for you guys to zero on on exactly who i am most townreading to speedlynch them

ftr

I'm mad at you specifically because you're advocating these plays that do nothing to help me get anywhere in the game and you've resisted actually playing with us when I asked and then told you to multiple times

I thought I proved that I'd work with you if you worked with me with the Oka/BEF thing but I'm not going to sit here and pull teeth every day phase for you to work with us

do you think i should be prioritizing 'getting you anywhere in the game' or finishing this game as cleanly and painlessly as possible for all parties

This doesn't seem like something rc would actually say.

[themilkcartonkid]

Like, he was against us "blowing" things earlier to avoid a problem later on and now hes advocating quickusing something to possibly win now over definitely winning kater

[RadiantCowbells]

you just started the coalition vote that failed

have u considered that maybe your idea of the way things are might not actually correlate all that well to the way that things actually are

[themilkcartonkid]

you just started the coalition vote that failed

have u considered that maybe your idea of the way things are might not actually correlate all that well to the way that things actually are

Very deeply, that's why I'm reaching out to titus ank and you

[RadiantCowbells]

reaching out to me?

half of what you've said this day phase and last day phase is about how i'm scum and planning contingency measures around me being scum

[RadiantCowbells]

doesn't feel to me like you care overly much about losing this game unless you lose it to scum me.

[themilkcartonkid]

I've been asking you for your reads like every other post today. Of course I have a contingency plan, but I'm not about that right now. I agree with you about d2 not needing to be paranoid about deepwolves, but you keep shutting down every effort to play with you so I can either ignore you or play against you. You are the one giving me that dichotomy, not me

[RadiantCowbells]

you don't get to tell me to jump through the hoops as you tell me to jump through them and then say I'm shutting down efforts to play with you when I refuse.
you don't get to hold me hostage off of the presumption that I care more about this game's outcome than you do.

[themilkcartonkid]

Asking you to state the coalition you want or the reads you've been hinting at all game is not asking you to jump through hoops. Its asking you to play the game you signed up for

[RadiantCowbells]

if you had given me my coalition like you had agreed to we wouldn't have to be having this argument right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

as soon as I out my coalition scum know whether or not they instantly lose if they don't oppose it.
concealing my reads leaves scum in a difficult situation where they cannot know whether or not I actually have the game solved when they either support or don't support my coalition. reactions when the coalition comes out will be game solving in and of themselves; that coalition was obviously bust by the people who supported it.

i have a game to win. i can either play to win this game or i can play to alleviate your concerns about me deepwolfing, but not both.

[NanceFloor]

Damn mafiascum is slow today.

Anyway!

The coalition of

Ankamius, Chemist1422, Clemency, Creature, NanceFloor, RadiantCowbells, Skygazer, themilkcartonkid

has been selected!

This coalition has...

Spoiler:

FAILED!

Night 3 begins now and will end in (expired on 2019-05-15 19:00:00). PM BulletNLynchproof if you want a fast night.

You guys should have gone with my original coalition. I put Maria in dark green for a reason.

[NanceFloor]

when u look at that list of people supporting the coalition
why do u ever think that's gonna be a win

The names on it were garbo and it was pushed through before my VCA. :/

That's like the third thing rushed through over my objection to slow things down.

Before anyone asks, I still SR Nancy hydra. Yet, this is a pragmatic choice. Scum are not likely to shoot themselves. This includes the most whiny town and scum suspects to force scum to either improve morale and limit the pool or b shoot one of themselves.

VOTE: veto

Tmck can you verify we don't have to do coalition back to back?

How does your VCA have us as scum ever?

[NanceFloor]

I do wonder if we use ok and td to force an elimination of two people. Take for example if we did scum!chem town!clem scum!overkill and scum!TD. They would be forced to kill 1 scum member and we would for sure know the other two. Alternatively we do scum!chem town!clem scum!overkill and town!td they would be forced to leave kill td, one of your biggest srs and we would know the other two are scum. Although this doesn't work if we dont pick at least two scum, I think it gives us a better shot then just picking the bottom four slots of our og coalition. Thoughts?

Overkill11
TD
Chemist
Chenn?

[NanceFloor]

I'm going to reach put here, titus, is there a world where rc is scum?

You’re asking Titus, the person who was lock convinced BEF was scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

hey guys

dannflor might be a deepwolf

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: Veto

That coalition was too big to fail, but it did.

RC is going into the next coalition, he is pretty much town at this point.

Considering this, the D3 coalition is likely this (green = coalitionable):

Ankamius

,

Chemist1422

,

Clemency

,

Creature

,

NanceFloor

,

RadiantCowbells

,

Skygazer

,

themilkcartonkid

-TL

How tf do you have 4 red slots?

And how is Sky ever scum here? Taly was bleeding obvtown. I don’t understand Ank either

[Titus]

I'm going to reach put here, titus, is there a world where rc is scum?

You’re asking Titus, the person who was lock convinced BEF was scum?

Probably. I need to do a better VCA than my rush guess but RC scum would be familiar with a few of my VCA assumptions. We go way back.

[NanceFloor]

like I don't see how I can be very far off, like adding chennisden to my PoE list and confscumming him because of the coalition is literally where I'm at

chennisden + Time Devil + 0verki11

One of these obviously has to be wrong. We know there’s at least one scum in the coalition. I’m leaning Chemist.

Why did you suddenly switch the order of the POE with Chenn and Overkill11? How is Overkill11 suddenly the towniest of those three?

Overkill11’s weird D1 BEF push never comes from town.

[themilkcartonkid]

as soon as I out my coalition scum know whether or not they instantly lose if they don't oppose it.
concealing my reads leaves scum in a difficult situation where they cannot know whether or not I actually have the game solved when they either support or don't support my coalition. reactions when the coalition comes out will be game solving in and of themselves; that coalition was obviously bust by the people who supported it.

i have a game to win. i can either play to win this game or i can play to alleviate your concerns about me deepwolfing, but not both.

Okay, why not give all but two of your coalition? Those two could make or break but the problem is I'm potentially giving you a huge advantage if you're scum for a huge unknown if you're town. If you give all but two, I could know whether what I was thinking you were thinking is correct and it still makes use of surprise.

[RadiantCowbells]

if i'm scum why would i care whether you know what my reads are

[NanceFloor]

Here are the pairings for the Dance:

Player 1	Player 2
RadiantCowbells	0verki11
mbaki	NanceFloor
OkaPoka	BrightEyedFish
Time Devil	themilkcartonkid
Ankamius	Clemency
Creature	Chemist1422
Taly	JohnnyEnglish
chennisden	Titus

this fits like every criteria I have for what scum did for dance

Why isn’t anyone in the coalition in your POE? You know that one of these 3 has to be wrong, so why isn’t your current POE taking this into account?

[Creature]

VOTE: Veto