Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

[Iconeum]

whats up gamers

scum alert

[Iconeum]

hey shoshin i found one of your buddies

[Shoshin]

Icon, it's not as simple as based on "activity" so much as the degree of effort Fumuki went to to understand the meta of different players in this game, along with the fact that Fumuki is very unlikely to do this as scum based on what I know about Fumuki. I gave a lot more detail about my Fumuki read yesterday.

As for Eyes, let me clarify the reasoning:

1. If Eyes is scum, scum knew that GIF wasn't the cop because GIF's strongest townread -- a rare "locktown" from GIF -- was Eyes.

2. Scum are unlikely to kill someone who they believe 100% isn't the cop just for the sake of "WIFOM." After all, it means a real cop continues to get results.

3. Scum killed GIF.

4. Therefore, it's unlikely that Eyes is scum.

That reasoning isn't scummy. Also, you're misunderstanding if you think that's the only reason I townread Eyes. I townread Eyes yesterday as well before GIF's death.I agreed with GIF's reasoning on why Eyes was "locktown." GIF's death simply confirms the read.

[Shoshin]

Icon, I know you're town so this is very frustrating if you think I'm scum here. At the very least, I urge you to reevaluate your read on me since you've scumread me in every game we've played together where I've been town. You need to recalibrate how you read me.

[Iconeum]

what games have we played together?

[Shoshin]

Innocent

Like, even your predecessor said as much, Icon. Do you disagree with this from someone who you KNOW is town?

[Shoshin]

what games have we played together?

I'm Jungle Medicine. You scumread me both games where I was town.

[Iconeum]

rofl Hi Jungle

[Iconeum]

If ur really Jungle then I do an average of 100% town mis-read on you

[Shoshin]

Yes, I'm Jungle. There's even a part of this game where I talk with RC about it for proof.

[Iconeum]

I need to re-assess this now. The kind of reads you are putting up actually make perfect sense as town!Jungle

[Iconeum]

what do you think of massclaim?

[Shoshin]

If I were scum in a game this apathetic, I wouldn't be trying anything close to as hard as I am here. I have two recently finished scum games for reference. I was replaced in one of them (Brass can confirm this because he modded the game), and in the other I was mislynched while posting once every few days with multiple prods & never saying anything substantive at all. There's just no reason for me to be tryharding this game with the degree of apathy here.

[Shoshin]

what do you think of massclaim?

I was the first to propose it... it's like you don't read my posts or something?

[Titus]

Another post of Shosin saying one method is the universal method, trying to steer a mislynch. Premise 2 depends on so many things that are unknown. It is flat out false if Shosin's team has all the active people and could just CC the cop forcing the rest of the game into lylo. There's also the possibility of scum doctor hunting as well.

The cop then is outed as well in Icon's plan.

The correct move if we desire any claims at all is for the last remaining doctor to out. This forces scum to either a) cc the doctor b) shoot the doctor or c) have another conftown the cop doesn't have to check thus increasing the PoE noose.

I would rather just lynch Shosin.

[Iconeum]

not massclaiming potentially loses 2 clears if they get the cop

[Iconeum]

so basicly it's hoping for 3 clears (or a guilty), or being assured 2 clears and working with 4! conftown

[Iconeum]

what do you think of massclaim?

I was the first to propose it... it's like you don't read my posts or something?

It's 90+ pages and I've had a grand total of 2 days to read everything. It's likely I missed important stuff

Will look more into this game tomorrow

[Shoshin]

Icon, can you please vote Egix with me? As I said yesterday, you can BoP me on this.

[Shoshin]

Titus trying to challenge the townread on Eyes is scummy as hell by the way. She's pointing out all sorts of speculative possibilities instead of addressing the substance of my analysis, which is based around what's probable.

It's probable that scum don't kill someone who they're 100% confident isn't cop. The existence of other possibilities doesn't change the simple fact of probability here.

[Titus]

Shoshin trying to sell his opinion as fact again.

[Titus]

Probability depends on the dynamic of the scumteam. A GiF kill makes sense if the town are lurkers. Kill/discredit the more seasoned players. Sell theory. Profit.

[Shoshin]

GIF replaced out, Titus.

[Titus]

The worst is also a vet.

[Shoshin]

Town the worst sheeps me in almost all cases. The idea that scum me kills him is hilariously improbable.