Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

[Shoshin]

Pops, I was low effort in all my games at that time. It's not a scum tell, it's a busy tell.

[Shoshin]

I'm a big believer that to some extent future good behavior can't obviate past bad behavior in mafia. And much of your early posting was really bad.

The ability to reevaluate reads is one of the most important skills a townie can have in this game. Especially when there's a very good explanation for the low effort in the beginning of the game.

You know as an objective fact that I was posting this way in all my games at the time, and even got mislynched in another game at the same time for inactivity. So you know that what's generally "bad behavior" wasn't in this case, it was simply a sign that I was too busy to give the game my normal level of engagement.

[popsofctown]

Well then now that you're all cured can you link me to one of those games?

And show a departure from your "figure it out yourself" attitude you gave buki?

[Shoshin]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=79139 -- I'm town Jungle Medicine in this game. You can see how active I was earlier in the game & then the massive drop off around the same time as this game started. I ended up being mislynched for inactivity.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=79367 -- I was scum Papyrus. I was very active in this game until around the time this game started. There was a massive drop in activity around that time.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=79402 -- I was scum. This game started around the same time as this game. I was fairly inactive & eventually got replaced because I couldn't keep up.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=79367 -- I was scum Papyrus. I was very active in this game until around the time this game started. There was a drop in activity around that time. This game is notable because my inactivity continued much after the point where I became active in this game. The fact I continued to be inactive there but became active here should be very telling on alignments.

There's other ongoing games but I can't talk about those. You'd have to do the research yourself. For all these games, pay attention to time stamps. There's periods of activity in all my games, just like this one, but in the key points where I was inactive in this game, I was also inactive in those.

Also, remember that Buki did the research & he reevaluated his read on me. He expressly stated that his meta analysis was wrong based on new evidence from looking deeper. I can also point you to many other games where I've had periods of inactivity as long as D1 on this game.

[Shoshin]

Buki reevaluating my meta:

I've been searching some Shoshin games and I retract my meta on her.

Definitely not completely retracting, but I thought I had seen more of her games than I actually have? I have this habit of skimming through ongoing games and I had seen Shoshin quite a lot, however she rolls town quite a lot? although I didn't look game by game (I search for topics she posted in and try to see if there she posted in a "scum PT" in that game, if not I assume that she was town there), I've only found a very old scum game of hers now that I'm diligently reading them.

I'm not saying she has been towny in a meta way here though. Just that I thought I knew more about her than I actually do. Also I'm not particularly counting the Starcraft game as a scum game since you were third party.

Actually, I'm taking most of Shoshin meta to the trash can.

Shoshin meta right now can change drastically I would say. It's unstable grounds and not reliable. She seems to not be confident with her own methods.

I'll review her ISO here but maybe the optimal play is to try something else today, and cop checks Shoshin tonight? Brass slot is probably be easier to engage with so I'm not as worried as I was before with RC. (I don't really know how to read him that accurately though).

[popsofctown]

Ew.
Lying about your mafia experience as town is gross.
Why are you making disingenuous alts on site, then demanding people backread them to read your main accurately?
Kinda gross. Do you want to have a meta or not? If you don't keep alt spamming. If you do then don't run around lying about out of game elements to your teammates as town that's gross.

[Shoshin]

I made the JM alt to experiment with a very different playstyle without the expectations that would be placed on me otherwise. Comparing that meta with my normal play isn't what I want you to do. The only thing I'm asking is that you realize that activity level is a busy tell, not a scum tell.

[Shoshin]

Lying about your mafia experience as town is gross.

I also don't think I lied to anyone about mafia experience? I was trying to remove meta expectations because I was experimenting with a different approach. But I never pretended not to have previous knowledge about the game.

[Creature]

Create alts, reveal them and then claim self-meta with them.

Isn't that something 90%+ of the alt users do?

[Shoshin]

For other examples of inactivity from me, check out my games on Suka. That's another alt where I was significantly more inactive than my play here.

[Shoshin]

The nice thing about Suka is nobody gave me shit about being inactive because I was an unknown, whereas I'm inactive on this account for just a few days & then I'm under high pressure the rest of the game no matter what I do.

Is it really any wonder why I want to play an alt?

[Creature]

whereas I'm inactive on this account for just a few days & then I'm under high pressure the rest of the game no matter what I do.

I can relate to this, on MU.

[Iconeum]

Titus why are you voting Shoshin? Just because you guys don't think alike? I read the 1v1 between you, and you were looking to work with Shoshin. That vote (and tunnel now) seems to come more from frustration then actual scumread?

[Iconeum]

So why are we not massclaiming yet?

9 alive, we can conftown probably 4. Maybe 3. That still gives us 6 unconf of which 3 are scum.
If the cop has 2 clears that are alive, it's a no-brainer to come forth and claim. With 1 clear we still get a 50% chance of hitting scum (blindly, if we don't process other information).
If the cop has 0 clears, this game might be pretty hard to win at this point.

[Iconeum]

I'm not voting Shoshin today.

[Iconeum]

I replaced in knowing I hate your slot and being excited to lynch it, didn't find out more about this egix guy until I iso'ed him just now. He's the second scummiest slot in the game though. Largely by PoE.
It makes me paranoid how difficult you seem to be to lynch though.
I'm pretty happy with growlithe and shosho being the leading wagons for today, it's miles better quality lynching than D1.

This is a strange way of putting it... You iso'ed egix, and you think he's the second scummiest slot but because of PoE?

[Clemency]

oh wow i forgot about this game yesterday
gimme an hour im gonna read this and get to it

[Clemency]

Yippie kayak other buckets!

this is why i joined btw

[Clemency]

oh yeah i did read a bunch of this actually
im gonna just read the last 25 pages and someone fill me in on vital info i.e claims thanks

[Clemency]

rc's town btw

[Clemency]

oh rc's out
well the slot is probs still town

[Clemency]

I had a mental breakdown today and I need to play a mafia game to forget about it.

relatable

[Clemency]

yeah creature's town too
i was hoping id have a duck for backup this game

[Iconeum]

No ducks here

You have a dragon though

[Iconeum]

Thoughts on Titus and Egix?