Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

[Shoshin]

Did anyone in this game expect cop to claim vanilla? This is a serious question.

I mean to ask, did anyone expect scum to claim vanilla?

[Titus]

Town loses this game 100% with these players.

I'm done with this.

(Hug) I've said this as either alignment. I think you're scum here. You remind me of a mini me.

I've been this frustrated too.

[Titus]

yeah shoshin's scum

Join us. I think he's been at L minus 1 for ages.

[Clemency]

lets see it
VOTE: shoshin

[Shoshin]

Basic principles on playing mafia well:

1. Scum are likely to claim cop in this setup when they're about to be lynched. So if obvscum claims cop, that doesn't mean they're suddenly town. A predictable scum behavior shouldn't suddenly change your read from scum to town.

2. A town cop doesn't list mod-confirmed town in a second tier of townreads. So when a cop claim does this, the claim is likely fake.

3. Town has the option of lynching obvscum without outing the cop. This leads to a much better outcome for the town than counter claiming a predictable scum fake claim, because the town cop has a chance to continue investigating another night or two.

Let's apply these principles to this game.

1. When Egix was put at L-1, about to be lynched, he claimed cop. This was a predictable scum behavior & therefore shouldn't change your read from scum to town. The cop claim is a null tell in this setup.

2. Egix says he investigated RC yet lists him in a second tier of townreads. This means the claim is likely fake. Or in other words, what you normally should read as a null tell is actually a scum tell in this game's specific circumstances.

3. Town had the option of lynching obvscum Egix without outing the cop. Instead, my teammates started unvoting Egix without any critical thought at all, in effect revealing the cop to the scum (because whoever unvoted clearly isn't the cop from scum's perspective).

It gets worse. We have a game where Icon wants to mass claim & get the doctor out in the open. I don't even know how to comprehend this sort of behavior or strategic choice because I don't see what possible benefit we're gaining from outing a doctor when we already have obvscum to lynch.

In case this wasn't clear, I am the cop. I have an innocent result on Eyes & a guilty result on Titus. You can do with that whatever you want. Icon's obvtown & shouldn't ever be lynched.

That's all I'm saying for the rest of the game.

My vote is on Egix. You can mislynch me today & blow your last mislynch on the real cop, or you can lynch obvscum Egix.

[Titus]

So you're claiming a guilty on me now, but want to lynch Egix?

Bye scum.

[Titus]

Wait, I think Emp unvoted

[Creature]

Whatever, fuck this

VOTE: Egix

[Creature]

Also, really.

Stop pulling gambits that obviously won't work.

[popsofctown]

Dude if I had also eaten whatever magical berry Shoshin has eaten that makes her unlynchable no matter how she plays, I would gambit for sure. Gambit all day, gambit here, gambit there. It's like, you have an obligation to. Using 2 wishes out of a magic lamp is disrespectful to poor people who don't have lamps.

[Emperor flippyNips]

It gets worse. We have a game where Icon wants to mass claim

& get the doctor out in the open. I don't even know how to comprehend this sort of behavior or strategic choice because I don't see what possible benefit we're gaining from outing a doctor when we already have obvscum to lynch.

In case this wasn't clear, I am the cop.

I have an innocent result on Eyes & a guilty result on Titus. You can do with that whatever you want. Icon's obvtown & shouldn't ever be lynched.

That's all I'm saying for the rest of the game.

1.from what I remember you were the first one who was wanting to mass claim.& you never said let’s have everyone claim except for doctor. So you wanted the same thing.

2. If you were the cop you keep changing your reads & that doesn’t look good. As of rn it’s looking like you & eyes are a team. I was going to propose a

no lynch

& see who’s dead tomorrow. But I think I’m satisfied with a shoshin lynch.

[Emperor flippyNips]

VOTE: shoshin

[Creature]

This game pisses me off.

[Emperor flippyNips]

In general or this game specifically?

[Titus]

Why, we got scum. The trend should correct and I'll do a shiny VCA.

[Creature]

Oh right, that was a hammer.

[popsofctown]

Wow. I guess she is lynchable.

[Titus]

Only as scum probably. Someone had to bus here though as Creature feels town.

[Creature]

That's all I'm saying for the rest of the game.

-_-

[Creature]

Shoshin, if you're town, who else is scum alongside Egix and Titus?

[Shoshin]

Emperor or Clem.

[Shoshin]

Probably Emperor.

[Baked Nips]

Emperor or Clem.

Poppycock

[Titus]

Emperor or Clem.

Poppycock

Who is this?

[Emperor flippyNips]

Whoops