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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 9:32 am

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In post 99, Cinnamon wrote:I don't like flavors behavior here either but again I haven't looked at how he previously plays
I try not to use meta in games, but I get this a lot when I play newbie games. It’s just my posting style I guess.

I have like 20+ newbie games played, never rolled scum in one.
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 9:33 am

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I have a tendency not to hard push people, especially in newbie games, because people like to sheep me, so i don’t like going in unless I know, if that makes sense.
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 9:39 am

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FYI is his regular opening post.

is absolutely NAI. Don't agree with a couple of later comments otherwise.

I'm not reading as particularly awkward. I am reading as natural though.

It would be hypocritical of me to have a problem with , and conveniently I don't. I think mafia are more likely to check the count more carefully than town and there's no scum motivation to accidentally declare L-1.

feels marginally town. Haven't background checked anyone yet to know if it's genuine. feels solve-y.

. And no need to , it's

feel natural and unpressured.

made me laugh. Weird wording but not sure what I can read into that.

My gut likes the smell of . I will bribe it with sugar to tell me why.



On previously addressed; sorta-agree; pointlessly agree; agree; disagree - OK the attitude is hard to read but his tone doesn't seem strained at all, feels like he's just being himself so i'm feeling overall positive on him.

Pedit from onwards:

I got nothing on FLs posts individually. Will address.

Bob is going in an interesting direction even if I disagree with most of what he's saying.
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 9:56 am

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In post 102, Eggs wrote:
I think mafia are more likely to check the count more carefully than town and there's no scum motivation to accidentally declare L-1.
Everyone has a good reason to check the count carefully, why should it be more likely from mafia?

Plus there's a difference between miscounting to claim L-1 when it's actually L-2 compared to claiming that it's L-2 when it's actually L-1. Your situation is not comparable to teachers because his misclaim on the L-X was never at risk of causing a super-early lynch.
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 10:08 am

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Weak leanings:
=/+: elephant, menalque
=: FL, teacher, bob, Nav, voted
=/-: cinnamon

Irrelelephant - I like him forming wagons and analysing responses.

Menalque - Likewise wagons. Pushing discussion and actively participating which I'm reading as town-leaning from a less-experienced player. The bizarre points he added on me are probably more coming from town than scum, it would be bold to manufacture a case in the first day in your first scum game.

Nav, Voted - Reading both similarly. In their favour they doesn't feel forced at all (except that jam sequence but gonna ignore that). Reading tone as town on a post by post basis. (It's only 24h in but) on the other hand ISOs are pretty much empty of actual content, though nav gets some credit for .

Teacher is skipping class today

Uncle Bob - don't agree with what he is saying but I do quite like the fact that he's thinking outside the box. Don't see scum motivation for pushing FL at this point, it's always going to look thin. Waiting for more content here.

Cinnamon - Not much going on in the ISO, i prefer bob's vote on FL to Cinnamon's second vote. Caveats his opinions.

Doesn't feel like as many problems popping up as in my previous games, wouldn't be surprised if one of the SE's is scum here (better hiding, coaching). Cinnamon is not strongly scum.
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 10:25 am

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OK, rein yourself in - it's not doing you any favours.

I'll be more explicit.

Your first point in that post I was referring to was that my first vote was pointless. OK. But teacher deserved to be poked fun at for miscounting. I saw it and immediately thought I had to do it because funny.

Your second point was that I then disappear for 8 hours. between 10pm and 6am UK time. And your explanation for me magically disappearing is 'running away so as to avoid contributing' rather than 'went to sleep', and for reappearing is not 'woke up' but 'saw opportunity to mislynch'. Yeahhh.

As backup for why I jumped on the nav wagon, see my first post in my first game (1930 I think). In my head-vision of how the game works I see piling on as a pro-town thing at this point cos wouldn't it be boring if everyone sat here with one vote going 'hmmm'.

Feel free to keep pushing your third point, failing to say L-1 is genuinely anti-town.
In post 83, Menalque wrote:If we look at his last post, there's also no effort to defend himself beyond "I was sleepy". Plus "I'd be voting me" seems like it could be very plausibly be a double bluff.
As you can see, 'I was sleepy' was not my defence.
In post 91, Menalque wrote:I'd like to add this about Eggs: we can see that he made his first post of the day at 6:40 UK time, while his post here didn't come until after 7:30. Therefore, it's not convincing that he wouldn't have been awake enough by that point to miss that he was putting nav at L-1.
Work. I do it. Guess where I was between 7 am and 7 pm?

And before you accuse me of disappearing again, in about 30 minutes I will be in bed.

Don't mind the push, but keep it realistic please. you ain't helping nobody.


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In post 103, Menalque wrote:Everyone has a good reason to check the count carefully, why should it be more likely from mafia?
Fair question. Answer: because mafia, i'd imagine, would generally be more paranoid about putting a foot wrong and being found out, whereas town have the psychological reassurance of a green role pm and are distracted from the paranoia of being mislynched by other considerations like scumhunting.
In post 103, Menalque wrote:Plus there's a difference between miscounting to claim L-1 when it's actually L-2 compared to claiming that it's L-2 when it's actually L-1. Your situation is not comparable to teachers because his misclaim on the L-X was never at risk of causing a super-early lynch.
Don't misrepresent me. My point was PURELY about teacher, you're the only one trying to apply it to me.
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 10:26 am

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I don’t see Eggs post as scum driven at all.
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 10:28 am

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I haven’t fully read their posts, but I’ve gotten the gust of everything. I’ll look deeper later when i’m Off work, but I don’t see him as scum, Menalq.

I think you guys are TvT.
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 10:36 am

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In post 102, Eggs wrote: I got nothing on FLs posts individually. Will address.
FL's poking around seems pro-town. However posting style seems to be more towards disconnected arbitrary statements rather than fully explained thought processes so I'm finding it harder to get behind (and probably easier to fake). Part of that is probably assumed knowledge that I don't have, and partly probably he just doesn't care about trying to convince at this point.
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 10:38 am

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In post 108, Eggs wrote:
In post 102, Eggs wrote: I got nothing on FLs posts individually. Will address.
FL's poking around seems pro-town. However posting style seems to be more towards disconnected arbitrary statements rather than fully explained thought processes so I'm finding it harder to get behind (and probably easier to fake). Part of that is probably assumed knowledge that I don't have, and partly probably he just doesn't care about trying to convince at this point.
I need to convince myself about my reads before I start to convince others.
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 10:38 am

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I have been known to be extremely genuine as scum, though, if that helps in any way. Whether it be against me or protown me, that can be up to you.
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 11:19 am

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In post 104, Eggs wrote:Teacher is skipping class today
You’ll find i ebb and flow. Some nights I crash out, some I spam post. I didn’t have much of a reaction last night. I skim during the day but don’t contribute because of the job. Def a lot has gone on today so I’ll provably motivate myself to get into the game tonight.
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 1:25 pm

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SE-ish aside to bob - avatars are a courtesy form of facial recognition for who is making a post. If you’re not graphically inclined, give me an image you think you’d like and I can get it the right size for you.
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 1:35 pm

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Flavors reading as himself to me. The game as a whole is feeling a bit lamisty and forced overreading. Eggs error feels honest, but he is being way more active early here than the game I modded (newb 1930).
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 1:38 pm

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@bob: mafia experience generally?
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 1:43 pm

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In post 62, Voted wrote:
In post 61, Voted wrote:thenavneet is in L-2, right? Lets put him on L-1 so we get from RVS
VOTE: thenavneet
E: forgot to add the signature so you don't lynch me for fakehammer
I don’t get the e? Plus 61 is actually a double vote from 24 - what’s the point?
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 1:46 pm

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In post 99, Cinnamon wrote:I don't like flavors behavior here either but again I haven't looked at how he previously plays
FWIW, Flavors play here is square down the middle of what I’d expect. Not saying I have a read, just saying it is exactly what I expected (other than the early vote which he acknowledged as a tip of the cap)
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 2:16 pm

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^Agreed
I could see a Bob/cinnamon team, but if not that I would also start looking closer at my fellow SEs
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 2:20 pm

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That is to say, I townread menalque/Eggs/navneet and don’t yet have reasons to scumlean FL or teacher, but unless the team is 2/3 of cinnamon/Bob/Voted I agree that SEs should get a closer look
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 2:20 pm

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Still kinda getting scum vibes from cinnamon, as much as I like their name and avatar
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 2:22 pm

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I love when I meld with you, even if I can never townblock you. Nice to play with you again.

I’m actually more on bob. Both of their first two posts seemed off.
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 2:23 pm

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Talk to me about cinnamon. I kinda liked [p]39[/p]
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 2:31 pm

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Cinnamon reminds me of my first game tbh
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 2:32 pm

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Feels almost too polite
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2019 2:44 pm

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I find it weird that a Bob/me team is coming up at all from these SEs, even if we both may individually look scummy to them. To me, I don't think anyone would as mafia agree so much with their mafia partner out of nowhere on a player that nobody else is reading as scummy at this point in the game, especially when they aren't being townread themselves (although bob was townread by some at this point).a

The reason why I caveated my read on flavor is that I am currently out and did not have time to provide a full read on him, but I wanted to post my gut reaction to their posts at the time. If teacher can vouch for this as his playstyle, then that weakens my read on him a lot.
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