Newbie 1934: Tundra (Game Over)

[Menalque]

Sorry, I'm an English Language teacher which means working on a somewhat unpredictable basis. I've been pretty busy since yesterday evening, I'll post more in-depth later tonight.

[Voted]

I would like to promise to post same reads tommorow so I dodge a prod/mislynch.

[Cinnamon]

One thing that I would really like to hear about are reads on the SEs and their interactions so far. I really don't like that they are all thinking along the same lines, as they generally think that the mafia are between Bob, Voted, and myself and unless the team is exactly Bob/Voted they're wrong FMPOV. I'm not reading town from either Bob or Voted but I think it would be useful to see other possibilities entertained as it seems somewhat suspicious to me that three different people with experience in the game would come to very similar wrong conclusions if they are all town. What seems more likely in my eyes is that there is at least one mafia there who is doing a great job at misleading town.

[Cinnamon]

To clarify, my last few sentences are talking about if Bob/Voted or something very similar is not the mafia team.

[Cinnamon]

The more I read of Flavor's posts, the less scummy he seems. His thought process through his posts makes a lot of sense to me. At the moment, he's moved more to a weak town read for me. On the other hand, I don't see the same thing from Irrelephant. Starting with when he suggested a team of Bob/myself, there's been small inconsistencies in his logic (also see 138 where he forgot an earlier read he made on bob). This could just be a sign of not having full attention to this game, but I see it as more of him trying to push without putting much thought behind it. I don't like that. I wish teacher would speak more so I could get a better read from him, at the moment I don't have a read on them.

[Irrelephant11]

Where are the inconsistencies in my logic?

[Irrelephant11]

Where in 138 do you see me “forgetting” my Bob read?

[Irrelephant11]

If you townread FL, you think I’m not putting much thought in my reads, and you think teacher has barely contributed, which of us do you think is the “one mafia who is doing a great job at misleading town”?

I might have been too quick to townread Eggs, in retrospect. He’s got a lot to say but he does feel very self conscious here. I’m flip flopping as I reread his ISO

[Cinnamon]

I apologize on one part; when I looked through yesterday I thought I saw a townread on Bob from you, when that was somebody else.

You seemed inconsistent when you posted about pushing a team of Bob/myself when that was clearly quite unlikely, then shifting to talking about a Bob/Voted team despite having mentioned me specifically as acting scummy a number of times without specific mention of either of Bob or Voted. I thought that was weird.

[Cinnamon]

I don't see you as super scummy right now as my read is not that strong, which is why I didn't mention who I specifically thought would be mafia. I'm leaning towards you but I would like to see more contribution from teacher before I really push that. I think it would be really easy as mafia to act like teacher is doing now.

[Cinnamon]

UNVOTE:

[Menalque]

Brief thoughts from mobile:

I don’t have much faith in tone as a way of reading things and I still think eggs has done the scummiest thing so far objectively. That said, I’m aware that he’s being mostly read as town who made a genuine slip. For now, I’m leaving my vote where it is, but I’ll change if (a) someone does something I think is objectively more scummy or (b) we start getting closer to the deadline and there’s still no appetite for an eggs wagon.

Regarding SEs: I’m encouraged by the fact they’re reading similarly. If there were only two, I’d be a lot more concerned that they were mafia backing each other. In the current situation I feel like the third would have called them.

If we’re not going for eggs then I’d be okay with getting on voted or cinnamon. I honestly don’t see why Bob is being scumread. I’ll try to post something longer tomorrow.

[teacher]

It’s been a few months, but my history with the elephant is that I normally have the same reads. I am always concerned about him cause the man can powerscum with the best of them, but with his activity levels and general slot odds, that’s never a good day one lynch.

I grok what he is saying in Eggs. Lot of self-conscious posting and one slight scummy vote. Here again though, I’m willing to let the active driving of the game take it out of my D1 lynch pool.

I get why Menalque is pushing Eggs. It’s a legitimate case and the most questionable objective fact on this low info day. That said, I strongly differ on reading tone. Indeed, the tone comment is odd from someone who writes 20

That is my not lynching pool for now, and a response to bob’s 136

[teacher]

I forgot to ask how many games until I qualify as SE when I joined the newb queue

Alright I have some time now so I'm gonna try hard for a bit

This ended up not being true. Bah hate work some days. I'll tryhard later at night but I'll allow people to SR me based on these 2 posts

I need you to do an analysis on 3 players. I’ll even let you pick. But reads and reasons please.

[teacher]

^my b, I didn’t mean 48 to go in there but was going to answer it.

Newb: fewer than 5 completed newb games, not counting D2+ replacements.

SE: 4+ completed games, including one non-newb

[teacher]

@cinnamon: your ISO is oddly tilted towards the SEs, ignoring most other slots. I agree I’ve been kind of coasting, and likely will continue to so long as town stays active without a need for me to drive the game. Im a bit more of a reaction player who hasn’t gotten my hooks in yet. But I’d love to see you analyze some of your fellow newbs - menalque and navneet?

[Eggs]

I honestly don’t see why Bob is being scumread.

Things that are bothering me:

77 and 84 are an interesting concern/weak read. By 136 he's townreading someone purely on the basis of voting FL, so presumably he has a hard read at this point? Otherwise that is a free pass he's just given out.

I've read FL's ISO five times just now and I can't see any indication between 97 and 128 that FL was scumreading Bob rather than Cinnamon. So where did 135 come from? I mean 142 shows he was right, but how did Bob know? Is anyone else seeing FL suggest a switch to Bob in that period?

86 and 89 are too easy. 'Points are reasonable' is very noncommittal and 'keeping options open' maybe?

I feel like this should bother you more than it does.

Not explicitly giving any opinion. Instead of saying he's scumreading FL for it he turns it into a point against me, who he isn't voting against. Is he hinting at me + FL scumteam? I don't know because it's far too vague.

My tinfoil hat theory, mainly triggered by 135 is Bob + FL right now, with the bob/FL conversation being planned distancing, but I'm going to need rather more before I try to push it.

Voted, Teacher and Navneet should come play.

[Cinnamon]

My posts have been mainly focused on the SEs because I think it would be useful to discuss the SEs - there hasn't been too much discussion over their play so far and they are posting a lot. In addition, some of the other players aren't really giving off reads right now.

For instance, I am not sure why there are quite a few town reads on thenavneet right now. From what they've said, I don't see anything that I would consider really townie. If I was to townread them it would really be me sheeping other players. I'd love to hear more from him.

I do like what Menalque is saying, his ideas make sense to me. I have a town read on him so far.

[Irrelephant11]

I no longer scumread cinnamon, I think? Ironically I think most of my scumread there was from his personality/posting style, which is actually fairly similar to mine.
Navneet how do you read cinnamon?
Cinnamon what from menalque do you like?

This game it feels like it’s rare for two players to be online simultaneously - I thik the gamestate could become a little more high info if we make a concerted effort to interrogate each other more closely despite time differences.

[Irrelephant11]

Hnggg I feel like I’m letting cinnamon off too easy
But like maybe voted is just lurky scum and this game is actually going great

[teacher]

there are quite a few town reads on thenavneet right now.

This statement requires three plus to be valid. Kindly point them out.

[Flavor Leaf]

@eggs - let’s just kill Bob then if you think that’s an issue.

[Cinnamon]

VOTE: Menalque

Navneet’snprobably town who got ran up, and scum is on that wagon.

Nav, Voted - Reading both similarly. In their favour they doesn't feel forced at all (except that jam sequence but gonna ignore that). Reading tone as town on a post by post basis. (It's only 24h in but) on the other hand ISOs are pretty much empty of actual content, though nav gets some credit for #68.

That is to say, I townread menalque/Eggs/navneet and don’t yet have reasons to scumlean FL or teacher, but unless the team is 2/3 of cinnamon/Bob/Voted I agree that SEs should get a closer look

[Cinnamon]

Eggs didn't put them in their townread section, but this part of their post feels like they're leaning towards thenavneet being town so I included it.

[Cinnamon]

I thought his case in 69 and his subsequent responses gave off town vibes to me.