My new strongest scumread is
Voted,
by a tidy amount. See below for why. Other than that I still think that Eggs is the second best for scum, and I'm confused why no one else has pressured him when at least 2-3 others have commented that the L-1/L-2 'mix-up' is a good objective reason to be suspicious.
Reasons to lynch voted:
In post 176, Voted wrote: In post 115, teacher wrote: In post 62, Voted wrote: In post 61, Voted wrote:thenavneet is in L-2, right? Lets put him on L-1 so we get from RVS
VOTE: thenavneet
E: forgot to add the signature so you don't lynch me for fakehammer
I don’t get the e? Plus 61 is actually a double vote from 24 - what’s the point?
I din't wanted to get lynched for a joke.
This is weird. There's no rational reason to think that adding your signature makes you less likely to be lynched for fakehammer. Being particularly concerned about being lynched also seems scummy. Other players (i.e. Cinnamon, who I think is probably town) had what I thought was a more natural response in showing some concern about the logic for why they were being pushed for a lynch without seeming genuinely afraid of it. Likewise, when votes have come my way it hasn't particularly bothered me as I've assumed it was just to add pressure. At this point, voted wasn't really anywhere near at risk. Therefore the concern is excessive.
In post 178, Voted wrote:Actually, list of who I would like to see lynched D1. I will dismiss SEs, because I don't like lynching experienced players D1.
The consideration should not be "is this player experienced" but "has this player done things that seem scummy/that advance the ends of scum". Often, that may be harder to determine with an SE or they may avoid doing it too early on. But it's a bad policy to not consider SEs for a D1 Lynch. It seems scummy and like an attempt to get SEs on side, which also fittingly comes at a point, along with your general activity, when I think people were starting to view you more and more as scum.
In post 182, Voted wrote:Eggs posts reads. Menalque only pushed Eggs for only one thing. D1 you are only guessing who is scum so there is huge chance of mislynch (actually, I have never played a game where town would lynch scum D1). Mislynching good and active player hurts town a lot.
Also, active scum can help town more than lurking town.
Confused by how more people are not calling this out. This is terrible logic. Active scum are almost certainly not going to be helping town unless they are very bad. On the contrary, good active scum are going to be able to get pushes for wagons on lurking town using
exactly
this logic right here. Yes, active town are more helpful than lurking town. But it's a ridiculous claim that having people actively trying to distort the game in their favour being more active (and therefore arguably more likely to be townread if activity is seen as town-indicative) is more beneficial to town compared to town not posting much.
Eggs related:
Where did this come from? If I'm right and voted is scum, then this could be used as evidence to defend yourself from scum charges tomorrow, i.e. it's a pre-emptive bus.
In post 166, Eggs wrote:
Things that are bothering me:
77 and
84 are an interesting concern/weak read. By
136 he's townreading someone purely on the basis of voting FL, so presumably he has a hard read at this point? Otherwise that is a free pass he's just given out.
86 and
89 are too easy. 'Points are reasonable' is very noncommittal and 'keeping options open' maybe?
Okay, this is the thing that -- if someone else starts acting suspiciously -- is most likely to make me stop seeing you as scum. Your objective actions are why you're still high for me, but I like the point about switching to a hard read out of nowhere. Also I feel like saying that my points were reasonable when even I'd admit that a couple of them were stretchy given the overall information at that point may have been trying to pocket me, which kinda worked. Overall though, FL doesn't seem scummy to me, so I'm not buying this as a theory. If Bob's votes end up looking funny tomorrow and yours don't, I could get behind him as Voted's partner.
Other stuff:
In post 152, Cinnamon wrote:One thing that I would really like to hear about are reads on the SEs and their interactions so far. I really don't like that they are all thinking along the same lines
As I believe I mentioned in one of my last two posts, I like this. If there were two of them coordinating, I feel that this would be very likely to be picked up on by the third who would necessarily be town. If one of them is scum, it's harder to predict, but so far I see nothing that seems weird or scummy to me. Then again, I think I'd be less likely to pick up an SE doing that in any case. If I start reading any as scum I doubt it'll be until day 2 based on voting patterns for whoever gets lynched today.
Okay, I'm curious. What bearing does that post have on the fact that I don't think tone is very useful for determining who's scum and who's not?
