Micro 873 - Game Over

[Blake Belladonna]

I don't understand what Skygazer is trying to do as scum either.

[Quest]

Tim's Approach: Coalition Mafia

He's using a very passive approach to everything, this is especially true in his opening posting (30, 31, 39).

One thing I should mention 301 where he implies that he only town read Implosion because of my town read on him. Yet, in Paint the Town (Tim!Scum, 490), he states that he trusts his own read more than someone who was confirmed town. I don't think I've amazed anyone this game with my posting, and there's a very clear difference in Tim's mindset between these two games. I'm not trying to get anywhere too deep with this since these are two completely different games and states, but it's worth keeping in mind.

---

Tim's Approach: Paint the Town (Scum)

He's using a very selfless approach here while also maintaining a somewhat passive approach in the early game. His approach changes a lot here in the late game, where he goes from being passive to aggressive. There's a lot of unnatural frustration coming from him which is the reason why I scum read him that game.

---

Tim's Approach: Marked for Death (Town)

He has an assertive approach to this game, he's not beating around the bush with his questions. There is still a hint of passiveness in his play, but there's a clear difference in his tone from that game to this game. Tonal reads are always my weakest reads, and because of this, I will also not be putting too much weight on this. I've said this previously in the thread, but I play marathon games differently which causes me to have a different tone than I would in a normal mafia game.

---

Conclusion

This isn't every marathon games he's played, but the others are so bland that it's a waste of time to even point them out. I don't think there's enough evidence in any of those games for me to change my read on him this game. His mindset in Paint the Town seems very different to the mindset that he has this game, but it's also based on a small sample size.

I don't think a meta check on him will help much, and if you're going to develop a read on his slot, you're going to have to do it this game.

[Quest]

guessing that scum are 2/3 of {quest, blake, implosion}

There's 0 scum in this.

[Blake Belladonna]

I can give you what I've written about Tim regarding his Marathon games if you'd like. I didn't go into every game of his because I feel a lot of his games are very passive and bland, but if it helps you see Tim differently; let me know.

I don't know about a Tim/Weiss team; mostly because I'm still leaning towards Tim being town here.

Just as an extra note:

The way Tim has been approaching this game makes a lot of sense if his partner is one of the lurkers, specifically how he's trying to outright shade me over trying to get me to change my mind on him. It's hard to believe that he considers me much of a threat unless he specifically finds his placement in the coalition to be vital to him winning the game.

[Tim Goodman]

100% sure there's not.

The way Tim has been approaching this game makes a lot of sense if his partner is one of the lurkers, specifically how he's trying to outright shade me over trying to get me to change my mind on him. It's hard to believe that he considers me much of a threat unless he specifically finds his placement in the coalition to be vital to him winning the game.

I don't consider you a threat and I am more than capable of fooling you as scum. I don't think you as town would ever scumread me under these conditions and that's independent of my actual alignment; ie if I am scum you should

still

be townreading me here.

The only explanation for you scumreading me here is you being scum.

[skitter30]

Vote Count 1.6

northsidegal (1) ~

skygazer

sashaddin (1) ~

weiss schnee

skygazer (1) ~

quest

not voting (6) ~

northsidegal, pvturist, tim goodman, implosion, blake belladonna, sashaddin

Coalition Count 1.6

• weiss schnee (5):
  weiss schnee, skygazer, northsidegal, implosion, tim goodman
  
• quest (5):
  quest, implosion, tim goodman, sashaddin, blake belladonna
  
• sashaddin (5):
  sashaddin, pvturist, skygazer, tim goodman, quest
  
• pvturist (5):
  pvturist, quest, tim goodman, sashaddin, blake belladonna

• implosion (4):
  implosion, tim goodman, quest, skygazer
  
• tim goodman (4):
  blake belladonna, tim goodman, skygazer, sashaddin

• northsidegal (1):
  northsidegal

• skygazer :
  
  
• blake belladonna :

deadline:

(expired on 2019-06-02 23:00:00)

mod notes:

- weiss schnee is v/la until marathon weekend is over
- click here for joined mod iso
- thanks tw for helping out over the weekend

[Quest]

NSG/Urist are both absent and null.

I actually feel like you were spot on with your initial read on Urist in 267. It's not something I've voiced because I was waiting for him to post more, but this feels like a waste of time now that you've pointed it out.

I think it will be really easy for me to tell if that slot is scum or not, it's just going to have to wait.

[Quest]

I don't consider you a threat and I am more than capable of fooling you as scum. I don't think you as town would ever scumread me under these conditions and that's independent of my actual alignment; ie if I am scum you should still be townreading me here.

The only explanation for you scumreading me here is you being scum.

You're more delusional than I thought if you actually believe any of this.

[Tim Goodman]

You talk about me going after you because I'm threatening you but that really doesn't make sense.
You going after me because I threaten you, on the other hand, does.
I'm the anonymous alt, I'm the wildcard, you don't know what my reads are or how good I actually am at this game.
You've made it your objective this entire game to discredit me and given that my scum game fooled you when I was barely efforting, there's really no excuse for my town game not convincing you that I'm town. I also think you're the slot in this game whose actual scum limits are least understood.

[Blake Belladonna]

100% sure there's not.

The way Tim has been approaching this game makes a lot of sense if his partner is one of the lurkers, specifically how he's trying to outright shade me over trying to get me to change my mind on him. It's hard to believe that he considers me much of a threat unless he specifically finds his placement in the coalition to be vital to him winning the game.

I don't consider you a threat and I am more than capable of fooling you as scum. I don't think you as town would ever scumread me under these conditions and that's independent of my actual alignment; ie if I am scum you should

still

be townreading me here.

The only explanation for you scumreading me here is you being scum.

This is like...

next level incongruence with how you've been handling me all game LOL

[Quest]

I'm the anonymous alt, I'm the wildcard, you don't know what my reads are or how good I actually am at this game.

You made it clear that you're not a great player when you called me near-100% scum based off of a marathon game. We know you're bad, you don't have to hide it.

[Tim Goodman]

I handled this game awkwardly because I was trying to remain anonymous. I'm done remaining anonymous.

[Blake Belladonna]

You talk about me going after you because I'm threatening you but that really doesn't make sense.
You going after me because I threaten you, on the other hand, does.
I'm the anonymous alt, I'm the wildcard, you don't know what my reads are or how good I actually am at this game.
You've made it your objective this entire game to discredit me and given that my scum game fooled you when I was barely efforting, there's really no excuse for my town game not convincing you that I'm town. I also think you're the slot in this game whose actual scum limits are least understood.

I see no situation where I consider you more of a threat to me than Weiss, NSG, or Quest.

Sorry.

[Tim Goodman]

You can call it quits on trying to pretend that you don't know who I am. I suck at anonymous alting, I am aware of that.

[Quest]

It's not the only thing you suck at, get off your high horse.

[Quest]

Quoting your shit reads during postgame will be great.

[Weiss Schnee]

I think Tim Goodman is a Krazy alt. Every alt I come across lately is a Krazy alt.

[skitter30]

radientcowbells replaces tim goodman

[Blake Belladonna]

Knowing who you are really doesn't change anything other than I'm hard vetoing ever putting you in the coalition.

[Quest]

I wasn't wrong that you were a shit player, nice.

[RadiantCowbells]

There's actually a really simple deductive logic you can use this game to know that Ankamius is scum.

I am good enough as scum to fool Ankamius if Ankamius is town -> Ankamius will incorrectly townread me.
I am also clear enough town as town that Ankamius doesn't misread me outside of the context of paranoia of my slot.

Ankamius pretending that they don't know my identity means that they aren't scumreading me because of that... so there's really no excuse for them scumreading me.

[Weiss Schnee]

@mod nsg was prodded y/n?

[Blake Belladonna]

I did not care enough to althunt you until you literally outed yourself.

[RadiantCowbells]

Either I dictate the coalition solo or I dictate the three lynches.

I'm going to stop posting in this game until everyone decides which it is.

[Quest]

Either I dictate the coalition solo or I dictate the three lynches.

I'm going to stop posting in this game until everyone decides which it is.

How about you dictate not posting so I don't have to read your shit posts?