Mini 2074: Madness at Port Arthur (Game Over)

[Fuscezu]

Smile (7): insomnia, Chara, Irrelephant11, Persivul, tris, ClearlyClarity, RCEnigma

irre was on and off. town
insomnia was voteparked. not nottown, but not town either frankly
chara is at an odd place, being late enough to raise an eyebrow.
percy is a latecomer and so is tris and CC.

Depending on how that wagon went i could build a case on the latter half of it.

[Fuscezu]

Fuscezu (4): Smile, Miss Kobayashi Maru, ceejayvinoya, ClearlyClarity

2 scum here, imo. kneejerk says its ceejay but id have to look at succint.

[Fuscezu]

Spoiler: D1

Fuscezu (4):

Smile, Miss Kobayashi Maru, ceejayvinoya, ClearlyClarity

Shiidaji (2):

Chara, Persivul

Irrelephant11 (2):

Shiidaji, RCEnigma

RCEnigma (2):

skitter30, Fuscezu

Miss Kobayashi Maru (1):

tris

ceejayvinoya (1):

Irrelephant11

Smile (1):

insomnia[/area]

RCEnigma (4):

skitter30, Fuscezu, tris, Irrelephant11

Fuscezu (3):

Brown Eyes, ceejayvinoya, ClearlyClarity

Irrelephant11 (2):

Shiidaji, RCEnigma

Shiidaji (1):

Chara

ceejayvinoya (1):

Smile

Smile (1):

insomnia

tris (1):

Persivul[/area]

RCEnigma (3):

skitter30, Fuscezu, tris

Fuscezu (2):

Brown Eyes, ClearlyClarity

Irrelephant11 (2):

Flavor Leaf, RCEnigma

Flavor Leaf (1):

Chara

ceejayvinoya (1):

Smile

Smile (1):

insomnia

tris (1):

Persivul

ClearlyClarity (1):

Irrelephant11

Not Voting (1):

ceejayvinoya

Smile (3):

insomnia, Irrelephant11, tris

RCEnigma (2):

skitter30, Fuscezu

Fuscezu (2):

Brown Eyes, ClearlyClarity

Irrelephant11 (2):

Flavor Leaf, RCEnigma

Flavor Leaf (1):

Chara

ceejayvinoya (1):

Smile

tris (1):

Persivul

Not Voting (1):

ceejayvinoya

Smile (4):

insomnia, Irrelephant11, tris, Chara

Fuscezu (2):

Brown Eyes, ClearlyClarity

tris (1):

RCEnigma

RCEnigma (1):

Fuscezu

Irrelephant11 (1):

Flavor Leaf

Flavor Leaf (1):

Persivul

insomnia (1):

Smile

Not Voting (2):

ceejayvinoya, skitter30

Smile (3):

insomnia, tris, Chara

Fuscezu (3):

Brown Eyes, ClearlyClarity, Smile

ClearlyClarity (2):

skitter30, Irrelephant11

tris (1):

RCEnigma

RCEnigma (1):

Fuscezu

Irrelephant11 (1):

Flavor Leaf

Flavor Leaf (1):

Persivul

Not Voting (1):

ceejayvinoya

Smile (4):

insomnia, Chara, Irrelephant11, Persivul

Fuscezu (3):

Brown Eyes, ClearlyClarity, Smile

ClearlyClarity (2):

skitter30, tris

tris (1):

RCEnigma

RCEnigma (1):

Fuscezu

Irrelephant11 (1):

Flavor Leaf

Not Voting (1):

ceejayvinoya

Smile (7):

insomnia, Chara, Irrelephant11, Persivul, tris, ClearlyClarity, RCEnigma

Irrelephant11 (2):

Flavor Leaf, Smile

Fuscezu (1):

Brown Eyes

ClearlyClarity (1):

skitter30

RCEnigma (1):

Fuscezu

Not Voting (1):

ceejayvinoya

[Fuscezu]

I hate hunting off my own wagon, but it was scumled and it was fluctuating and it was the counterwagon to the Smile wagon

[Fuscezu]

RCEnigma (4): skitter30, Fuscezu, tris, Irrelephant11

This wagon seems to be completely town, with the small exception of i havent cleared tris in my notes.


thoughts?

[Fuscezu]

is anyone SRing skitter?

[Fuscezu]

I dont wanna read 20+ pages, but the smile defense force didnt happen?

[Chara]

is anyone SRing skitter?

please read. yes.

[Chara]

insomnia's pretty town and i remember him doing more regarding the Smile wagon than just voteparking. that was me. :>

[Irrelephant11]

is anyone SRing skitter?

Lol
I’ll be here when you’re ready to play

[funkybike1]

VOTE COUNT

6 of 11 votes are required to lynch.

skitter30 (3):

Chara, ClearlyClarity, Succinct

ClearlyClarity (3):

skitter30, Fuscezu, insomnia

Succinct (2):

tris, ceejayvinoya

Not Voting (3):

Persivul, Irrelephant11, RCEnigma

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-06-04 15:30:00)

[Chara]

Hm
I lied about getting a night result
Just wanted to see reactions but I don’t necessarily want to start a massclaim train just to solve this puzzle
Ignoring the past couple pages I still want to lynch Clarity
But she did past my reaction test kinda

Clarity why did you vote Smile last gameday?

i was so excited about your night result. i thought you had a Clarity guilty and that's why you were annoyed with me earlier.

i didn't like her whole claim thing and thinking she was hammered, but now i'm not sure how to proceed.

[Chara]

i've got a bit of time now if anyone's here. i also owe skitter a response, i think.

[Chara]

i was going to say i hope Percy pops in soon, but he seems to be v/la. he's more likely town than not but i'd rather have more town playing than not, too.

[Irrelephant11]

I considered faking a guilty on CC because I still feel extremely strongly that she’s scum

[Chara]

skitter's fruit vendor: why not just send it to someone who you think is

town

? was it just that you thought i'd probably claim it regardless of my alignment? i know it's a fruit vendor, but still.

read on me: would you mind talking about that again when you're back? the process of "not townreading Chara" to realizing i was on Smile, to now townreading me. i found it helpful last game.

Fuscezu and Clearly were both at two votes. if we assume both are town, it's weird that Smile picked Fuscezu over Clearly because Clearly was more mislynchable and being pushed by elephant and skitter. however, Clearly was townreading Smile, and Smile was townrearing Clearly. scum alienating a supporter like that isn't good when trying to dodge the lynch, especially since it could result in Clearly's vote on Fuscezu moving to Smile. plus, it would pretty much spew Clearly as town if Smile reversed the read they had there in that position. i'm pretty sure Smile is experienced enough to know that. (or at least Beauty was)

so that's why i don't find Smile's choice in push to be particularly damning for Clearly.

pedit: i'm glad you didn't, because faking a guilty sucks.

[Chara]

i've changed my mind a bit. where i'm at right now, i don't mind sacrificing another mislynch when Clearly will probably remain a point of contention in the future, even if i don't strongly believe she's scum and could be wrong on that. but in the absence of a guilty from you i no longer think Clearly/skitter is a very likely team.

still, as a player, i don't want to vote Clearly for that reason... it goes against what seems right to me to do, even if it could also be the right decision even on her townflip.

[Irrelephant11]

Faking guilties is too risky though and I don’t have practice making those kinds of risks work
I figured I could at least see what happened if the playerlist thought her claim was fake

Clarity’s reaction in retrospect is more indicative of a true claim than of town, necessarily...
I still think her vote on Smile, Smile’s treatment of Clarity, and Clarity’s naked skitter vote are all very scum indicative

Pedit: those are good points
I think I’m back to “Chara is town unless and until Clarity flips scum, in which case Chara is probably still town but less sure”

[Chara]

b) i bus and distance better than this, thank you; if i were partners with him i wouldn't have a half-assed distancing like this, knowing that i'd like bad if he flipped, esp. since he was just a goon. i know that in most scumteams i need to set myself to go for endgame if i want to win - and when i knwo what people are going to flip it's pretty easy to make myself look good afterwards.

c) i'm not convinced that tris is town

b) actually, i thought your distancing was pretty good. elephant pointed it out. i know you wouldn't want to straight bus Smile until you thought you needed to. but you did have a lot of interactions that looked good.
i also don't believe it would be possible to know Smile was going to flip until that point.

c) this sounds like a fun thing to talk about when you're back.

[Chara]

Faking guilties is too risky though and I don’t have practice making those kinds of risks work
I figured I could at least see what happened if the playerlist thought her claim was fake

Clarity’s reaction in retrospect is more indicative of a true claim than of town, necessarily...
I still think her vote on Smile, Smile’s treatment of Clarity, and Clarity’s naked skitter vote are all very scum indicative

Pedit: those are good points
I think I’m back to “Chara is town unless and until Clarity flips scum, in which case Chara is probably still town but less sure”

i was actually tempted to fake a guilty on Flavor just to see his reaction, and make sure it didn't go to lynch. then i remembered it was Flavor Leaf and he would eat me and my bullshit alive.

[Chara]

VOTE COUNT

7 of 13 votes are required to lynch.

Smile (3):

insomnia, tris, Chara

Fuscezu (3):

Brown Eyes, ClearlyClarity, Smile

ClearlyClarity (2):

skitter30, Irrelephant11

tris (1):

RCEnigma

RCEnigma (1):

Fuscezu

Irrelephant11 (1):

Flavor Leaf

Flavor Leaf (1):

Persivul

Not Voting (1):

ceejayvinoya

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-05-22 12:00:00)

tris was on Smile before the Fuscezu vote, and after it. she did waver back and forth and they had a fair bit of interaction, that i would consider very

good

distancing from tris if scum.
Smile's claim was also absolutely a hail mary, though whether the scumteam really thought it would work remains another story. tris immediately revoted there (though she was already on the wagon as far as i can tell) when it happened, too.

[Chara]

VOTE: Clarity

never mind, i missed this. so not as strong as i thought.

[Chara]

my weakpoint: Clearly

leftovers: cj, RC, Succinct
scum: skitter

[Succinct]

You were the target.

Story checks out.
I'm not a Redirector, but I'm a redirector-

type

role. (It'd be anti-town to claim specifically which one.)
Can verify that you targeting me last night would redirect to yourself.

[ClearlyClarity]

I'll be honest, while my play has been subpar and obv lynchbaity I feel like I'm being wagoned for surface-level reasons. Especially after my little mishap.

Your reason for voting Smile was surface level.

I’ll ask again, why lynch Irrel over the person who lynched scum?

I get the impression that you're voting me because you're mad that I didn't jail you last night lol

I jailed the player I thought would most likely be the nightkill. It wasn't just """""you""""" who lynched scum — like yeah you started the wagon but it was irrel and Chara who ended up pushing it and actually finishing it by EoD. You dropped out of the game when the Smile wagon was going and I didn't even consider you when deciding who to jail last night. You didn't leave any impression on me in comparison to the other options