Mini 2074: Madness at Port Arthur (Game Over)

[ClearlyClarity]

I considered faking a guilty on CC because I still feel extremely strongly that she’s scum

This leaves a bad taste in my mouth beyond game-related reasons. Why would you even consider it?

[Irrelephant11]

I considered faking a guilty on CC because I still feel extremely strongly that she’s scum

This leaves a bad taste in my mouth beyond game-related reasons. Why would you even consider it?

I’ve seen town use fake guilties to great success before and am always interested in improving my play

[ClearlyClarity]

I considered faking a guilty on CC because I still feel extremely strongly that she’s scum

This leaves a bad taste in my mouth beyond game-related reasons. Why would you even consider it?

I’ve seen town use fake guilties to great success before and am always interested in improving my play

And if you're wrong about me, what happens to your fakeclaim?

[skitter30]

Off from page 47 a clarity lynch is a good idea from where I'm sitting.

I also like irrel's skitter towncase and the way he and chara are trying to look for scum here.

a) why is clarity a good lynch from your pov?
b) you do realize that irrel is not really townreading me rn, right? what towncase are you referring to?

[skitter30]

Nice hammer btw

:igmeo:
you were at like ... l-4 iirc?

I'm jailkeeper and the other JK is town. Jailed irrelephant last night

Maybe try to let me claim first next time, ye?

gut says this is true tho?

[skitter30]

lol

Forgot there's 11. I'm usually used to 9.

did you actually think you were hammered there?

[skitter30]

Welp.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Succinct

a) this is scummy if clearly is not scum imo
b) why succinct?

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:

Who did you give your n0 fruit to Skitter?

irrel but it doesn't seem to have gotten there given that he hasn't claimed it

[ClearlyClarity]

lol

Forgot there's 11. I'm usually used to 9.

did you actually think you were hammered there?

I was at 5 which is L-1

I get that it was a stupid mistake

There's no need for everyone to rub it in

[skitter30]

when Clearly supposedly thought she was hammered, but then started "spewing herself town", it didn't feel like something that town who just got hammered would say. she was here before when explaining why she didn't explain her skitter vote, but it's only after she was "hammered" that she began to call out scumreading her at all, like in 1299.

a) i actually think the 'thinking i got hammered and claiming jk there' is kinda more likely to come from town than not
b) and yeah her trajectory on me .... does n't make much sense (although i'm going to point out that she called me a scumread on day1, although she couldn't articulate why when asked)

[Chara]

Welp.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Succinct

a) this is scummy if clearly is not scum imo
b) why succinct?

why isn't it scummy if she's scum?

[skitter30]

it's also day 2, which, in a 9 player newbie game, usually means 7 players, not 9. and in this case, means 13 to 11. what's also strange is that she didn't look at any votecounts when figuring out votes to lynch, and instead counted them with the assumption of there being 9 players. it's... a really weird mistake to me. i might get it on day 1, but she must have played newbies where the votes to lynch went lower than 5, unless she kept dying day 1.

ok, say she's scum here, planning on fake-claiming jk when it's time to claim
you think she miscounts the votes on her here?

like if anything i think scum is more likely to be hyper-aware of the vc

pedit feels like the kind of unvote that comes from scum who don't think they can continue to push town claiming a strong pr; don't know how to articulate that better

[skitter30]

Irrel - Chara interactions look T/T, after yesterday when I got sheeped by Irrel that puts him really high up on my town leans.

Skitter's positioning on Smile's wagon was sort of weird, but I know she's mostly a busy person and that's why I probably would like to not lynch her today and let her justify her actions.

I'll go and analyse the people that sheeped me on the wagon and if they had any reason for it or they bussed for town cred and will come back with thoughts.

Also, did Fus just hammer a fucking jailkeeper? Why are people unvoting if it was a hammer?

idk do u want to ask me anything specific?
still think this is town ^^^^

[Chara]

it's just that if Clearly is scum fakeclaiming, i would still look at that unvote specifically.
are you still scumreading Clearly, by the way?

and skitter, i was saying i thought Clearly was faking the mistake. i don't really think that now, however.

[skitter30]

Wow. I townread skitter, but I should go over her ISO to remind myself why.
VOTE: Succinct

You sure this was spewed town, Irrelephant?

a) i was under the impression that you think you can read me

I said that when scum; I lied.

b) just going to point out that the utter lack of resistance to an l-1 wagon at this stage of the game is kinda suspicious

Not given who's driving it.

what did you see after skimming my iso

Lack of obvtownness, but as I'd expect obvtownness from you regardless of alignment, that helped little.

a) i'm p. sure i got the vibe from those games that you actually knew what you were talking about wrt my meta, even if incidentally you were scum
b) this'll sound cocky as fuck, sorry, but given who the wagon is on, yeah it is - scum who know me don't think they can mislynch me easily *at all* (hey, look at the two scumgames we just talked about! where you gave me obvtown reads!); i get at most a vote or two at this point usually; wagons don't really form on me. howver, when a wagon is already established and someone else did most of the heavy-lifting, yeah, j think they *will* hop on, cuz they see an oppurtunity to get me out of the game. so yeah, the fact that irrel and chara are pushing it def contributed to the wagon, sure, but i think that the fact that it *did* get up that high anyways is sketchy
(obvs i'm aware that i'm talking about my own wagon, this is prob going to get ignored and that's fine; i feel the need to point it out anyways)
c) ok. want to talk to me about anything?

[skitter30]

it's just that if Clearly is scum fakeclaiming, i would still look at that unvote specifically.
are you still scumreading Clearly, by the way?

and skitter, i was saying i thought Clearly was faking the mistake. i don't really think that now, however.

oh if she's scum i'd look at it too, but i do think that if clearly is town it's an especially scummy unvote

not sure atm wrt clearly; let me finish catching up

ehhhhh i think faking the mistake is prob out of her scumrange; i'd be kinda impressed if she faked that whole sequence there

[skitter30]

It does seem like a scum action.

do tell

[skitter30]

This is super nitpicky tbh? 5 votes are enough to hammer in a 7p game so I would've assumed I'd been hammered anyway. Like if you really think about this, what's more likely: that I had a brain fart and really assumed I'd been hammered, or that I pulled off a gambit that played on your impressions of my newbishness?

yeah this basically ^^^^ not sure i see that coming from newbscum really

[skitter30]

It proves that he wasn't roleblocked yesterday. In other words...

...He wasn't jailed?

Or...

I could've been roleblocked?

can jk's even be rb'd?

[Chara]

i suppose i'll wait while you finish catching up.

points of interest for me would be your thoughts on Clearly, me, and tris, though for the latter you've talked a bit already.

pedit: they can.

[skitter30]

I've been thinking about skitter's argument on CC, and to be honest CC is a slot that has been very much under the radar for me. Despite having 50+ posts I feel like the slot has had very little presence. On going back through the iso 674 jumps out at me --

while I appreciate the townread

, the more important thing to me is skitter scum along with fusc and cj. CJ is null to me but could be scum, fusc I think is scum, and skitter is someone I can see CC being paranoid about as town. So this would not be my first preference for today. That being said, I feel like CC did not push Fuscezu very hard after voting that slot, so there's some risk of that being scum distancing. I'd vote there if I have to to avoid my own mislynch but I'd much prefer Fusc, and if not Fusc then tris.

This was the first thing that pinged me. Their responses to your interrogation (esp the questionable claim) encouraged my vote.

I should also bring up that I never townlocked Smile and I had a super slight townlean on them that was based on my limited knowledge of how the hydra meta works. Like our interactions in the game so far (their defense of me etc) should have indicated that there was only one scum in the pair of us, which turned out to be Smile, who was also active enough that I would have sought advice and reads from them if I was their scumpartner.

ehhhhh this is kinda meh tho; you're retroactively kinda undermining the strength of your smile read now that they flipped scum; you had them as your highest townread in that bad readslist

[skitter30]

still working on clarity; i'm p. sure you're town
my thoughts on tris haven't changed much; still ~nullscum

[skitter30]

lol

Forgot there's 11. I'm usually used to 9.

did you actually think you were hammered there?

I was at 5 which is L-1

I get that it was a stupid mistake

There's no need for everyone to rub it in

sorry, wasn't trying to rub it in, was trying to gauge if you actually thought u were hammered or not

also jk's can be rb'd? huh. ok. what happens if a jk targets a rb who targets the jk?

[skitter30]

CC is town. what slimey push

insomnia's town despite the push imo; i'm coming around to town!cc too

[Irrelephant11]

I considered faking a guilty on CC because I still feel extremely strongly that she’s scum

This leaves a bad taste in my mouth beyond game-related reasons. Why would you even consider it?

I’ve seen town use fake guilties to great success before and am always interested in improving my play

And if you're wrong about me, what happens to your fakeclaim?

This is why I did not do it

UNVOTE:

Who did you give your n0 fruit to Skitter?

irrel but it doesn't seem to have gotten there given that he hasn't claimed it

I did not get fruit night 0

when Clearly supposedly thought she was hammered, but then started "spewing herself town", it didn't feel like something that town who just got hammered would say. she was here before when explaining why she didn't explain her skitter vote, but it's only after she was "hammered" that she began to call out scumreading her at all, like in 1299.

a) i actually think the 'thinking i got hammered and claiming jk there' is kinda more likely to come from town than not
b) and yeah her trajectory on me .... does n't make much sense (although i'm going to point out that she called me a scumread on day1, although she couldn't articulate why when asked)

I’m starting to get the feeling skitter wants to tie herself to Clarity here
It *is* possible neither Clarity nor skitter is scum here, if the remaining team is maybe CJ/Succinct, but I really feel like it’s not the case they’re both town. And if skitter is scum I’m getting “lynch Clarity after me” vibes from her play. Just throwing this out there